You can build a great team with non-lottery picks

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Okay, "you can build a great team around a star with non-lottery picks." In context, I'm pretty sure what Rasta was saying is that Portland doesn't need lottery picks to build a strong team at this point. The Spurs have done the vast majority of their team-building without lottery picks. Duncan wouldn't have been enough alone and they're still elite now without him.
     
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    Still can't believe Meyers went 11...
     
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    Such a freaking waste. :blink:
     
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    Not a star, the best player of a generation, and not so arguably, the best PF in the history of the game. Lillard is a star, Duncan was a dog star
     
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    Nope
     
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    I didn't say "the Spurs built a title team with non-lottery picks" which appears to be what you're arguing against.
     
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    You don't think Duncan was a star? Wow, man, I've seen a lot of haters, but that's really something!

    And yes, obviously Lillard isn't Duncan, that doesn't change the point. You don't have to accomplish what the Spurs did to be a great team.
     
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    Name a sustained great team who hasn't that way
     
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    Detroit Pistons

    To say sustained isnt fair. how many teams sustain period.
     
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    in the last couple years will barton was a good 2nd round guy. patty cakes. jeff withey? before that, batum was a good nab. dante cunningham. id say the blazers are about average?
     
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    Who're the best? Spurs and who else? Jazz seem to do well (don't just look at who they PICKED, look who the ended up with - for example, they didn't pick Gobert but they traded for him immediately. (Like Dallas actually didn't draft Nowitzki, but they knew they could get him AND more from a team below them, and always had him as their guy.))
    Milwaukee have Giannis and Brogdon. You might say they should've done better than Parker at #2 and Thon Maker in the last draft, but Parker is coming along nicely and I think Maker will end up being very good, he's just very VERY raw right now.
    Sacramento is particularly bad, as has been noted. Charlotte ain't so great either, although Cho has built a solid team by other routes (including by conning another GM into giving them their best all-round player). Warriors have done incredibly well, of course, as they drafted and managed to keep their title-team core. Houston just tends to draft the player with the best PER, and sometimes that works. Denver getting Jokic was an incredible steal, of course.
     
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    Winning one title would be plenty successful, and require a great team. If you want to be the Spurs, the Warriors, the '90s Bulls, then sure, you'll need a generational superstar.
     
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    Great ones. That's what the thread title was. Pistons were contenders for several years with a shot load of talent and a weak ass conference.
     
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    i like what the bucks have done for the most part. couple late lotto picks thrown in as well.

    since 2010
    larry sanders at #15
    jimmer at #11 to trade for tobias harris
    jon leuer at #40
    henson at #12
    giannis at #15
    jabari at #2

    not a bad little core (too bad larry sanders lost his mojo) and then in the last two years:
    rashad vaughn (still 20 years old) at #17
    thon maker at #10
    brogdon at #36

    a couple super high ceiling guys, and a 4 year guy. maybe thats the ticket for smaller markets, swing for the fences in the 1st, try to find 4 year contributors in the 2nd.
     
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    Milwaukee's done pretty well. It did take Antetokounmpo blowing up beyond, I'd guess, anyone's upside expectations. That's not to say he wasn't a good prospect, but a Magic Johnson/Scottie Pippen hybrid is a bit extreme.

    That said, every great core requires some good fortune, generally. Scottie Pippen himself blew past initial expectations.
     
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    The Blazers team I fell in love with was FULL of guys who exceeded expectations: Porter - Wisconsin Stevens Point. Kersey - Longwood. Duckworth - second rounder. Cliff Robinson - second rounder. Even Clyde fell to #13, I believe.
     
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    In 1984 Jerome Kersey was the 46th pick in the 2nd round.

    In 1985 Terry Porter was the 24th pick in the 1st round.
     
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    Timmy made Ginobili and Parker future HOFers?

    Um.... No...
     
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    I was saying we once successfully drafted a guy the current Spurs brain trust wanted, since there was a lot of scuttlebutt at the time that the Spurs were trying to get Batum to drop to them, putting out rumors of a heart condition, etc.
     
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    I've always said that 3-and-D guys get drafted wayyyy too low. Especially the ones that stay in college for 4 years. This years example: Malcolm Brogdon.
     
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