Exclusive You decide; RipCityTwo consensus Blazer starting 5

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Draco, Jul 27, 2015.

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Who should start?

  1. Damian Lillard

    97.3%
  2. CJ McCollum

    16.0%
  3. Gerald Henderson

    42.7%
  4. Allen Crabbe

    16.0%
  5. Al Farouq Aminu

    70.7%
  6. Noah Vonleh

    10.7%
  7. Meyers Leonard

    64.0%
  8. Ed Davis

    25.3%
  9. Mason Plumlee

    52.0%
  10. Pat Connaughton

    4.0%
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  1. DUB

    DUB Da, da da, da dah!

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    Poll closed before I could vote, but I would go with:

    Lillard
    Henderson
    Aminu
    Leonard
    Plumlee
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Poll open!
     
  3. DUB

    DUB Da, da da, da dah!

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    And voted. Thanks!
     
  4. oldmangrouch

    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    The starters are likely to change over the course of the season.

    How is the "winner" chosen? Starter at the beginning of the season, at the end, or total starts over 82 games?
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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  6. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Stotts said he is going to use our vote for the first preseason game. After that its on the players to perform and Stotts will make any necessary adjustments.
     
  7. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    This is what I thought.

    Play CJ. This is a developmental year.
     
  8. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    I want Vonleh and Leonard to start.

    Throw them into the fire. I like CJ off the bench as the third guard. That's gonna be his eventual role on our team when we get back to the playoffs. Let him build his skills there.
     
  9. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Looks like our uncertainty is at 2. That's surprising to see Leonard not unanimous
     
  10. selloutking

    selloutking BALL DON'T LIE!

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    this is the correct answer
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    I don't know why people sell Ed Davis short.

    8/8 in 23 minutes and he shot .601. Super efficient as it is, and here he'd get more scoring opportunities. Already a 20 PER guy, we haven't seen his upside yet.

    It could be the best PF and C combo on the team is Davis and Plumlee.
     
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  12. selloutking

    selloutking BALL DON'T LIE!

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    my thought is defensive 2 and 3 to start
    defensive 4 and 5 off the bench
    making the other team have to constantly adjust how they are playing the game could play to our advantage.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Lack of spacing would stifle the offense.
     
  14. Draco

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    Can't play those two together because of court spacing. Maybe spot minutes against backups but there is no way we can build a good offense with them going against opponents first team defenses.

    I agree he's in the mix instead of Plumlee, just not alongside him. I actually voted for him and Meyers. He could be our second best player after Dame. You can pair Ed with Meyers, Vonleh, Kaman or Aminu up front.
     
  15. 42N8Bounce

    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Let's have a little fun with this. If I pick my starters based on PER from last year, I get -

    Starters:
    Lillard2.jpg Damian Lillard. PER=20.7, WS/30.5=0.110.
    Henderson.jpg Gerald Henderson. PER=13.2, WS/30.5=0.047.
    Aminu.jpg Al-Farouq Aminu. PER=14.4, WS/30.5=0.071.
    Davis.jpg Ed Davis. PER=20.0, WS/30.5=0.103.
    Plumlee.jpg Mason Plumlee. PER=18.0, WS/30.5=0.084.

    Bench:
    Pressey.jpg Phil Pressey. PER=11.8, WS/17.5=0.020.
    McCollum.jpg CJ McCollum. PER=13.1, WS/17.5=0.032.
    Crabbe.jpg Allen Crabbe. PER=8.7, WS/17.5=0.033.
    Leonard.jpg Meyers Leonard. PER=14.8, WS/17.5=0.058.
    Kaman.jpg Chris Kaman. PER=17.3, WS/17.5=0.041.

    Others:
    Harkless.jpg Maurice Markless. PER=8.4.
    Vonleh.jpg Noah Vonleh. PER=13.2.
    Frazer.jpg Tim Frazier. PER=8.1.
    Connaughton.jpg Pat Connaughton. Rookie.
    Montero.jpg Luis Montero. Rookie
    Alexander.jpg Cliff Alexander. Rookie

    Having a little fun with the number, if we assume that the starters play 30.5 minutes, and the bench plays 17.5 minutes (approximate averages from last year), we can then use Win-Shares to approximate the number of wins this line up could achieve. Totaling up the numbers above for this line up (multiply each WS by 82) gives us 49 wins. Yep, no way that is happening. Of course Win-Shares is very dependent upon who else they are playing with. Virtually all of these players are in a different structure this year and will see drastic changes to their stats.

    I agree that playing Davis and Plumlee at the same time could definitely cause some problems. That's why I'd prefer to see Leonard start to help spread the floor a bit. But how do you bench Davis or Plumlee that have PERs over 18?
     
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    Easy. If Plums starts, you tell Davis, "Vonleh is going to be backing Leonard up at the 4, so we need a strong veteran presence coming off the bench alongside him to help keep things steady while he develops and learns the ropes." If Davis, you tell Plumlee, "You and Leonard are going to be platooning at center, and we need your defense to complement the holes in CJ and Vonleh's games."

    Or, you simply tell them, "This is what is best for the team as a whole," and expect them to accept it and put forth their best effort whenever they're on the floor.
     
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    Or you tell them "Welcome to ModaDome. Two men enter, one man leaves."

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    So--We're now through 5 pre-season games. Have your opinions on the prospective starting lineup changed? This thread is basically 3 months old, and the poll came up with Dame/Hendo/'Rouq/Nards/Plums. Wonder what would happen if we re-did it (or if people went in and changed their votes). Personally, I think Davis has surpassed Plumlee on the depth chart at center, but do we really want to break up the VonDavis frontcourt combo?
     

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