<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. And trading a 19 year old with that type of ability/potential for a 31 year old star (KG) would be bad, regardless of how good Garnett is now. I mean sit back and think about that... KG is 31 years old. 31. Kevin Durant is 19 and could very well be a top player in the NBA, and he is also ready to contribute right away.The funny thing about this rumor is that Pierce doesn't want to wait on Durant because "he needs to add weight," yet he wants to trade for a 31 year old who has the same exact body as Durant, and weighs 220 lbs. Pierce weighs more than Garnett. I'm not taking anything away from KG, he's a great player, but I found that funny and ironic.</div>Only thing you could ask yourself as a Celtics fan is do you wanna win now (get KG), you wanna be great in the long-run (get KD)Rondo, Green, Pierce, Garnett, Jefferson, is a scary line-up for most NBA teams. The front-court is unreal. But, mostly I think KG will end up in LA. So, CB32 you're okay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ May 21 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only thing you could ask yourself as a Celtics fan is do you wanna win now (get KG), you wanna be great in the long-run (get KD)Rondo, Green, Pierce, Garnett, Jefferson, is a scary line-up for most NBA teams. The front-court is unreal. But, mostly I think KG will end up in LA. So, CB32 you're okay.</div> :no1: Green wouldn't even start in Boston IMO. He'd come out more as a bench player. Tony Allen would most likely start over him. We need some good defense on the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe? @ May 21 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:no1: Green wouldn't even start in Boston IMO. He'd come out more as a bench player. Tony Allen would most likely start over him. We need some good defense on the court.</div>Where you gonna get better in defense on the bench?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ May 21 2007, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where you gonna get better in defense on the bench?</div>Wah?? If you mean what defense there is on the bench - we've got Delonte there who can play D.
Delonte? lolDelonte cannot play defense..I dunno what team you've been watching.Tony Allen and Kendrick Perkins would be the defense off the bench but that's not enough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 21 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Delonte? lolDelonte cannot play defense..I dunno what team you've been watching.Tony Allen and Kendrick Perkins would be the defense off the bench but that's not enough.</div>Yah, D-West is not that great at defense himself. What I meant was how is Green gonna learn defense when he's buried on the bench, he needs the opportunity to start along an all-star veteran in Paul Pierce. They always put him in a line-up with Olowkandi and Powe or Scalabrine, making Green look bad, because he doesn't know when to shoot or pass to teammates, like Tommy always says. Then Doc would yank him after one mistake. Doc's just gotta let the kid make his mistakes, learn from them, and move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe? @ May 21 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:no1: Tony Allen would most likely start over him. We need some good defense on the court.</div>I don't know, I mean how healthy and ready is TA gonna be when he is back from rehab? Plus, Wally is untradeable so that means that Wally would most likely start, thanks to Doc's brilliant coaching. But, I think 85% of Celtic fans would rather see Gerald start instead of Wally.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe? @ May 21 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:no1: Tony Allen would most likely start over him. We need some good defense on the court.</div>I don't know, I mean how healthy and ready is TA gonna be when he is back from rehab? Plus, Wally is untradeable so that means that Wally would most likely start, thanks to Doc's brilliant coaching. But, I think 85% of Celtic fans would rather see Gerald start instead of Wally.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ May 21 2007, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bringing in Garnett would stunt Jefferson's growth for the team, as a veteran like him is going take alot more touches away from Jefferson this season, than Durant would as a rookie. Gerald Green I don't see him lasting in Boston either way it works out, so there goes another future wing man that will be a good scorer in the NBA. It would be alot like when it was with Walker and Pierce a few years back, having two superstars that are good for 3-4 years together, and then they leave and they need to rebuild again.</div>Garnett would stunt Jefferson's growth because he'd take away touches? What exactly do you think Durant would do? He's not going to distribute the ball. Anyway I wouldn't trade the pick either, but Ainge has made A LOT of worse trades, so maybe I'm just numbed to the front office stupidity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. And trading a 19 year old with that type of ability/potential for a 31 year old star (KG) would be bad, regardless of how good Garnett is now. I mean sit back and think about that... KG is 31 years old. 31. Kevin Durant is 19 and could very well be a top player in the NBA, and he is also ready to contribute right away.</div>and not only is he 31, it's an NBA OLD 31 as he came straight from HS.Lots of NBA miles on that body and it takes a toll.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 21 2007, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Garnett would stunt Jefferson's growth because he'd take away touches? What exactly do you think Durant would do? He's not going to distribute the ball. Anyway I wouldn't trade the pick either, but Ainge has made A LOT of worse trades, so maybe I'm just numbed to the front office stupidity.</div>Garnett's going to be a 31 year old veteran, that is going to take up alot of shots between him and Paul Pierce. With Durant, he is going to take shots, but being a rookie he won't take as many shots. He will be trying to get used to the NBA level, and adjust. Usually rookies are not going to take as many shots as a 31 year old veteran. Furthermore, Durant is going to provide a better outside shot than Garnett, giving more room for Jefferson to be able to work inside, than Garnett, who doesn't have the same type of outside shot.
You have to look at it from Paul Pierce's perspective, however. I mean, the guy's a proven superstar in the league and has had very little playoff success in the past few years. He's impatient, and he's tired of waiting for his teamates to develop their game. You know that Jefferson, Rondo, and Green are keepers, so try to add some veterans around that core of players. Durant is a special player, obviously, but still, if you're going to get Kevin Garnett, you should be extremely happy, even if he is 31 years old, because the guy can still put up great all-around numbers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ May 21 2007, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have to look at it from Paul Pierce's perspective, however. I mean, the guy's a proven superstar in the league and has had very little playoff success in the past few years. He's impatient, and he's tired of waiting for his teamates to develop their game. You know that Jefferson, Rondo, and Green are keepers, so try to add some veterans around that core of players. Durant is a special player, obviously, but still, if you're going to get Kevin Garnett, you should be extremely happy, even if he is 31 years old, because the guy can still put up great all-around numbers.</div> I understand Paul's point of view, I understand that he's not getting any younger and he wants to win now, but you don't throw away a 19 year old franchise player to have 3-4 years of competitiveness. Pierce, Garnett, Jefferson, and co. would be a nice group for a few years, but for just that... a few years. With Durant, you have a 15 year window to get yourself to that championship level. With Garnett, you have 3-4, and like valo said - it would hold Al Jefferson back a little bit because both Jefferson/Garnett play 15 feet and in. You say "look at it from Pierce's perspective." Well, look at it the other way around... 5 years from now, would you rather have a 36 year old Kevin Garnett or a 24 year old Kevin Durant? If we get the #2 pick tomorrow night, and trade it, it would be very stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it would hold Al Jefferson back a little bit because both Jefferson/Garnett play 15 feet and in.</div>Actually, KG's range is more like 19 feet and in. Al has like a reliable 12 foot jumper but I wouldn't say 15 feet and in for Al. Plus, KG is a much versatile player than Al and more athletic so getting KG would be dumb if we trade Durant for it but like Pierce said I want to get back to glory now. I'm tired of waiting, we need to get on track with the Sox and Pats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ May 21 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, KG's range is more like 19 feet and in. Al has like a reliable 12 foot jumper but I wouldn't say 15 feet and in for Al. Plus, KG is a much versatile player than Al and more athletic so getting KG would be dumb if we trade Durant for it but like Pierce said I want to get back to glory now. I'm tired of waiting, we need to get on track with the Sox and Pats.</div>I agree with you to some extent but glory isn't neccesarily winning the title one year and then sinking back into mediocrity. We need to build around Rondo, Jefferson, Green (idk man I see GG being traded if we get Durant..it would be better for both Green to develop and shine somewhere else and Boston freeing up wing space allowing Durant to become the franchise) and the pick. I would welcome KG with open arms but not to the expense of Durant or Jefferson.Without looking it up who won the title in 1983? You get remembered for winning multiple titles and building off of title wine, not one. See teams like San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston back in the day. That's glory my friend.We don't need to compete with the Sox/Pats. We just need to become contenders again and get the fairweather fans back watching.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I understand Paul's point of view, I understand that he's not getting any younger and he wants to win now, but you don't throw away a 19 year old franchise player to have 3-4 years of competitiveness. Pierce, Garnett, Jefferson, and co. would be a nice group for a few years, but for just that... a few years. With Durant, you have a 15 year window to get yourself to that championship level. With Garnett, you have 3-4, and like valo said - it would hold Al Jefferson back a little bit because both Jefferson/Garnett play 15 feet and in.You say "look at it from Pierce's perspective." Well, look at it the other way around... 5 years from now, would you rather have a 36 year old Kevin Garnett or a 24 year old Kevin Durant?If we get the #2 pick tomorrow night, and trade it, it would be very stupid.</div>Would you rather wait 15 years or just 4 years for another championship back in Boston? KG would probably serve as a mentor to Jefferson, and would probably let himself be the 3rd option, because we all know KG just wants to win. KG's one of those guys who seems to consistently produce great all-around numbers as he gets older, like Jason Kidd. His game does not deteriorate after a couple years, he was just one of those special physical specimen when he entered the league. He has no injury history, either. Boston fans need something to be happy about. A championship in less than 4 years or watching a young star succeed mightily but still watch his team be mediocre for the next 15 years. Why would anyone wait longer to get a championship? That's all I'm asking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ May 21 2007, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you rather wait 15 years or just 4 years for another championship back in Boston? KG would probably serve as a mentor to Jefferson, and would probably let himself be the 3rd option, because we all know KG just wants to win. KG's one of those guys who seems to consistently produce great all-around numbers as he gets older, like Jason Kidd. His game does not deteriorate after a couple years, he was just one of those special physical specimen when he entered the league. He has no injury history, either. Boston fans need something to be happy about. A championship in less than 4 years or watching a young star succeed mightily but still watch his team be mediocre for the next 15 years. Why would anyone wait longer to get a championship? That's all I'm asking.</div> There is no guarantee that Garnett would win us a championship. I'd rather have a young star (who could be just as good as Garnett) at age 19 with a 15 year window TO DO something than have a 31 year old player and give up a potential top 5 player in the NBA... while ending our competitiveness (with Pierce/KG) in a 4 year block. Again, it boils down to this... would you rather make Pierce happy for 4 years with a 31 year old star (only going to decline, not improve), or would you rather get a 19 year old franchise player with unlimited potential? So again, answer this: would you rather have competitiveness with KG for 4 years or so, or would you rather have competitiveness with Durant for 15 years?
