Zach Collins in January

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  1. BBert

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    The first part of your question is kind of interesting. I think if we'd had both Olynyk and Meyers, the Blazers would have either shown Meyers the door; or they would have developed Meyers as a center in the first place. And we probably wouldn't have traded for Vonleh?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    And we might have kept Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and not traded for Plumlee (and Connaughton), which means no Nurk, and if we'd kept Hollis-Jefferson, we might not have matched Crabbe.... It just goes on and on.

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    So you are saying Olynyk is a Chinese butterfly?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    He has that effect...

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    OK I'm done, or my head is gonna esplode.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Well it could actually be worse. If we had drafted Olynyk instead of C.J., Crabbe might be our starting SG.

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    Its not as clear cut as people would think. Look at the advanced stats. CJ is better, cut its not by a huge margin.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Olynyk isn't even a starter. He's a very good bench player, but that's all he is. He's playing a career high 23 MPG. His career average is 21 MPG. His impact is limited by his role and his minutes. Just looking at his advanced stats and saying he's almost as good as C.J. seriously overrates his total contribution to his team. Meyers fucking Leonard has some pretty impressive advanced stats this year. Big deal. He barely plays.

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    You got my point!!!!!
    and then.... you didn't.

    The rookie rankings are heavily biased toward teams rookies with high usage on crappy teams.
    So, yes THOSE stats are HIGHLY team dependent. So, I made up another stat that might also be team dependent,
    but not really, since the Blazers are almost middle-of-the-road in the west. And what do you know,
    Collins looks good.
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I wasn't actually replying to you, I was replying to Mook, who took your list and expanded it to include all players under 24. For anyone who didn't already understand the team impact on plus/minus stats, that expanded list makes it even more obvious that the quality of the team is much more of a factor that the quality of the individual player for this particular statistic.

    Collins pretty much falls in about the middle of the Blazers in Net Points. He is 6th of 14 players at +44. Connaughton has the highest Net Points at +112 and Harkless is last at -86.

    So, not bad for a rookie. Like Connaughton, Collins' Net Points are a function of which other guys he's paying with and the quality of the opposition (other teams' second units), but at least he's having an overall positive impact. Which is a good thing for a rookie.

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    And what is that new made-up stat?
     
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    Can you hook me up with some net +/- per 48? Seems more appropriate to me.
     
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    +/-
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Here you go:

    http://www.82games.com/1718/1718POR.HTM

    The "On" column shows the team's Net Points per 48 minutes while the player was on the floor.

    But even this is going to be a function of the 9 other players on the floor. Unless you really believe Pat Connaughton is our best player.

    What this really shows is our bench has been really good this year. Connaughton, Napier, Davis and Collins have the four highest Net/48 on the team. Solid contributions from all, but they are also primarily playing against the other teams' bench players.

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    Which is why I've been saying our depth is plenty good to be more than a middle of the pack team, with two all-star caliber players. The whole is less than the sum of the parts.
     
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    Final January Stats:
    35/75=.467 FG%
    12/29 = .414 3FG%
    2-3= 67% FT%

    I'm feeling like he could average these numbers over the rest of the season.

    12 Ast/8 Blk/14 TO in 284 minutes
    could use some work.
     
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