Zach Collins is ready

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  1. KingSpeed

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    I disagree. Give Mitchell all of Pat and Bazzy's minutes and we are better.
     
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    That’s not a whole lot of minutes. Also, Pat has been playing SF.

    I’m not trotting out

    Dame
    CJ
    Mitchell

    For 30+ minutes a night. Our defense would get obliterated even further. Also, that’s three high usage players all together, before factoring in Nurkic.

    Mitchell only makes us better if we part ways with CJ and slots in as starting 2G, allowing us to address our SF issue.
     
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    -We need scoring and playmaking off the bench.
    -Dame doesn't have to play the entire 1st quarter every night.
    -CJ doesnt have to play both SG and PG.
    -We wouldn't automatically just lose if CJ or Dame are having a bad night or injured.
    -It doesn't matter how you twist it, Dame knows Olshey failed to put another potential all-star next to him. I'm sure that Sam Presti made a lot of sense when he explained to Durant why he had to let Harden go.
     
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    I want to watch the replay of tonight's game because it seemed like Collins did a bunch of smart things that didn't show up in the box score. He should've played down the stretch imo. His activity was a key in taking control of the game.
     
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    He missed the shot, but what impressed me the most was when he spotted up at the three and took two strides and was at the rim... and they were VERY fast strides.
    I stood up off the couch for that one. Haven't seen a guy that tall move that fast in a long long time. I thought Nurk had some quick moves, but compared to Collins, they are quicksand moves.
     
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    Oh and when I get done in the office here, im gonna go home and watch the whole game again. ;)
     
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    Yeah he’s very agile, and I’ve also noticed how athletic he is slipping screens. The pick and roll play we do with Nurk should be able to work with Collins as well. His actual screens need work but whatever, I’m sure he’ll get better.

    I also love how he doesn’t hesitate to shoot, but at the same time doesn’t force bad shots.
     
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    Yep.

    They do need work, but he is alreayd showing a skill that butters doesnt have.

    An instinct of when to put a hard screen on and when to slip. Meyers, never seems to know, but Collins last night put up a screen where he didnt even touch the player, but it was enough for the defense to adjust, and then he slipped right to the rim. It was beautiful. He didn't reset and try to keep screening like many do. He instantly noticed when the defense adjusted and new exactly what to do.

    And this kid is 19!!!!

    And then you know what I love the most of all? Not one smile out of the kid. HE isn't happy. He obviously wants to be great and wont be happy with less than.
     
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    Never said Dame had to.
    Never said CJ had to, although you now want to reduce CJs minutes in order to play D Mitch.
    So you want to reduce Dame & CJs minutes in order to get D Mitch minutes at the 1&2. We need players that can play WITH our best players, not take them out of the game.

    Uh, your last point might be the worst of them all.

    If Durant was 6’4, Harden was 6’4, and Westbrook was 6’4, Presti would make a ton of sense telling KD

    ‘Realistically, we cant start 3 players shorter than 6’6 and play all of you 30+ minutes a night. More importantly, in crunch time, there is no way they could defend playoff teams. So, it’s in our best interest to part with one of you shorties, in order to address a team need, such as SF or at the time, PF.’

    This really shouldn’t be that difficult. Adding another guard, to reduce minutes played by Dame & CJ doesn’t make us better, unless said guard can somehow effectively guard SFs, such as Giannis, Durant, LeBron and play 30+ minutes a night.

    D Mitch isn’t doing that. The only argument is making CJ expendable to address that need.
     
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    Never said Dame had to.
    Never said CJ had to, although you now want to reduce CJs minutes in order to play D Mitch.
    So you want to reduce Dame & CJs minutes in order to get D Mitch minutes at the 1&2. We need players that can play WITH our best players, not take them out of the game.

    Uh, your last point might be the worst of them all.

    If Durant was 6’4, Harden was 6’4, and Westbrook was 6’4, Presti would make a ton of sense telling KD

    ‘Realistically, we cant start 3 players shorter than 6’6 and play all of you 30+ minutes a night. More importantly, in crunch time, there is no way they could defend playoff teams. So, it’s in our best interest to part with one of you shorties, in order to address a team need, such as SF or at the time, PF.’

    This really shouldn’t be that difficult. Adding another guard, to reduce minutes played by Dame & CJ doesn’t make us better, unless said guard can somehow effectively guard SFs, such as Giannis, Durant, LeBron and play 30+ minutes a night.

    D Mitch isn’t doing that. The only argument is making CJ expendable to address that need.
     
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    Never said Dame had to.
    Never said CJ had to, although you now want to reduce CJs minutes in order to play D Mitch.
    So you want to reduce Dame & CJs minutes in order to get D Mitch minutes at the 1&2. We need players that can play WITH our best players, not take them out of the game.

    Uh, your last point might be the worst of them all.

    If Durant was 6’4, Harden was 6’4, and Westbrook was 6’4, Presti would make a ton of sense telling KD

    ‘Realistically, we cant start 3 players shorter than 6’6 and play all of you 30+ minutes a night. More importantly, in crunch time, there is no way they could defend playoff teams. So, it’s in our best interest to part with one of you shorties, in order to address a team need, such as SF or at the time, PF.’

    This really shouldn’t be that difficult. Adding another guard, to reduce minutes played by Dame & CJ doesn’t make us better, unless said guard can somehow effectively guard SFs, such as Giannis, Durant, LeBron and play 30+ minutes a night.

    D Mitch isn’t doing that. The only argument is making CJ expendable to address that need.
     
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    Never said Dame had to.
    Never said CJ had to, although you now want to reduce CJs minutes in order to play D Mitch.
    So you want to reduce Dame & CJs minutes in order to get D Mitch minutes at the 1&2. We need players that can play WITH our best players, not take them out of the game.

    Uh, your last point might be the worst of them all.

    If Durant was 6’4, Harden was 6’4, and Westbrook was 6’4, Presti would make a ton of sense telling KD

    ‘Realistically, we cant start 3 players shorter than 6’6 and play all of you 30+ minutes a night. More importantly, in crunch time, there is no way they could defend playoff teams. So, it’s in our best interest to part with one of you shorties, in order to address a team need, such as SF or at the time, PF.’

    This really shouldn’t be that difficult. Adding another guard, to reduce minutes played by Dame & CJ doesn’t make us better, unless said guard can somehow effectively guard SFs, such as Giannis, Durant, LeBron and play 30+ minutes a night.

    D Mitch isn’t doing that. The only argument is making CJ expendable to address that need.
     
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    There isn't enough minutes to play all 3 of them?

    CJ goes out with ~4 minutes left in the 1st Q -> 4
    CJ starts the 2nd Q with Mitch and plays ~5 minutes with him before Dame is back -> 5
    Mitch gives CJ ~3 minutes to rest at the end of the 2nd -> 3

    So that's around 12 minutes of play in the 1st half alone and i didn't even address Dame's usual grind at the 1st quarter.

    Right now both Lillard and CJ are playing 37 minutes each night, their substitutes are Pat and Napier (who doesn't get complete trust from Stotts).

    People are expecting Dame and CJ to play 40 minutes each night, run more miles than most players in the league, show consistency and play elite defense on top of it all.

    I'm sorry it doesn't work this way.
     
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    Love how he always looks pissed off. Stood his ground against Marvin Williams. Looked mad when he gut subbed out. Collins is a killer, wait until his body catches up with his mentality.
     
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    Collins has a good aggressive attitude, but it will take 3 years to widen those toothpicks from Victor Claver to Ed Davis. Never mind a Vonleh-like body. Meanwhile, keep repeating those scoring moves in games until he perfects them, and he'll make us forget Doug Collins.
     
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    Collins has that vibe

    Ps that show sucked
     
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    Additionally, Donovan Mitchell has an incredibly long wingspan coming from a program developing excellent defensive players and he's only playing 30 mpg with the Jazz. I wanted our team to draft him and thereby giving us a very good 3-guard rotation.
     
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    Yeah we fucked up
     
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    A two way big > a two way guard

    Not even close.

    There’s not a GM in the league that wouldn’t start their franchise with A instead of B.
     

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