Zach Lowe: The Blazers' Oregon Trail to contention

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  1. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Overspending "cluttered the path with obstacles"? WTF? How so, considering there was no "realistic alternative"?

    "Overspending" was necessary to compete, not an impediment to competing.

    Also, I don't think Turner is overpaid. Welcome to 2016. The only overpaid player on our roster, IMO, is Allan Crabbe.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Preach
     
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    Yeah he is kind of contradicting himself. I guess he is suggesting that since we struck out on a top FA, the only way for us to reach the next tier of teams, is to make a trade. But since we signed assets that will be hard to move, our chance of trading them are more difficult. But then he finishes up by saying we really didn't have a realistic alternative......

    The flip side to these players getting paid so much, is that they will match up salary wise closer to star players whose team might want to move them. (i.e the never ending desire to get the Boogie man) As opposed to us sending 4 players to another team for one player. It just won't be this year, but rather when they have less years on their contract.
     
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  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Did we strike out on a top FA? I don't consider Parsons a top free agent. We didn't really seem to pursue Whiteside or Howard.
     
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    I think they wanted Whiteside, but it didn't seem like they went after Howard very hard because of the age difference But I agree with you, ET seemed to be pretty high on their list.
     
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    I'm sure we would have loved to have signed Whiteside, but I think Neil figured out pretty early on that it was all a ploy to get Miami to sign him to a bigger contract. Neil didn't seem to waste any time on Whiteside.
     
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    I bet Whiteside would have been a lot more interested in the Blazers had he known Wade was leaving.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Maybe, but I think he wanted the most money possible, and I think Miami could offer more money than anyone else.
     
  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    "But Turner needs the ball to play up to this contract, and if he has it, Lillard and McCollum -- much better players -- do not."

    He kind of misses the point. If you have an extra guy who can handle the ball, collapse the defense and hit the open man, it results in higher percentage shots for your better players.

    Steph Curry wasn't even an all star when Marc Jackson had him playing like a traditional PG, running the offense and creating for himself and his teammates. Curry became a two time MVP once Steve Kerr started running more offensive possessions through Shaun Livingston and Draymond Green. With Curry playing off the ball, he got more open looks and became a much more efficient scorer. He works less, but scores more. That's good for Curry and it's good for his team.

    Evan Turner gives us that third ball handler that will let Dame and C.J. play off the ball more. That's a good thing, not a negative.

    BNM
     
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    All the advanced stats on 82games.com say that Dame is best at shooting guard. Just food for thought.
     
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    Does ET have enough handles to actually play point? He would be an over sized defender which we need, but would he work on the offensive end?

    If so, I really think the best thing is for Dame to go to SG and have CJ be our perennial 6th man. He will win the award every year.

    A starting lineup of

    Turner
    Dame
    Harkless
    Aminu
    Plums/Ezeli (Not sure who will start)

    A second unit of

    Napier/CJ
    CJ/Connaughton
    Crabbe/Layman
    Davis/Vonleh/Leonard
    Ezeli/Leonard/Plums


    I honestly think that might be the best way to play this roster provided the skill sets matchup with the positioning ( My Evan Turner ?)
     
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    DUB Da, da da, da dah!

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    The Knicks were my "second team" at that time. I loved their front court of Ewing, Oakley, Smith, and Mason. The Knicks and Pacers had so many great battles during that era.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    The idea that you need the ball in your best players hands as much as possible is quaint and old fashioned. This isn't 1995, or even 2008 when Nate McMillan was the last stubborn holdout of the all ISO all the time offense. Maybe you want your best player taking the big shots, but you can often get him better looks if he doesn't have to do all the work and the defense can't just suffocate him.

    Turner has the handles and passing ability to run the point on offense and the size to guard SGs and SFs on defense. I'm sure Stotts is already salivating at the options that gives him.

    BNM
     
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    And Turner has never played with backcourt teammates as good as Dame and CJ. I'm expecting all of these guys, plus Crabbe, to feed off of each other and have great seasons.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, the synergy will make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. Playing with Dame and C.J. will make Turner better and vise versa.

    Remember the doubters who said Dame and C.J. couldn't play together? Dame had his best season yet and C.J. had a breakout year. Olshey and Stotts know what they are doing.

    Turner will be a great fit, and as far as being overpaid - he got Bazemore money. Think about that.

    BNM
     
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    He definitely isn't ever sold on the Blazers. I love Zach Lowe and read/listen to everything he does but since we have had a roster the last 4 years or so that required internal growth to really succeed to the next level, thats something that seems like unless Lowe can personally see the puzzle pieces fitting together he wont immediately assume internal growth and players getting better will happen.
     
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    Isaiah Thomas is pretty good. Maybe not as good as Dame, but he's pretty damn good.
     
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