Societies have, throughout time, given women unequal treatment. Societies have, throughout time, been oppressive monarchies and dictatorships. Societies have, throughout time, enslaved others. Societies have throughout time, started holy wars. Should I go on?
Yep, I'm afraid you're right. This country has turned its back on many of its traditional values, and it's a sad state of affairs. We're going the way of the Roman Empire, with more and more degradation every passing day.
I'm an old fart and have seen and heard a lot of stuff. I'm a redneck that (ain't) is not a bigot. This is a basketball forum. Posters are from all walks and life styles. Don't come in here and bash anybody. If you are that offended by people who post on here, don't come here. Some of the better posts come from people you are dissing.
A lot of our "traditional" values included slavery, bigotry, women not being allowed to vote and taking over another peoples country and inflicting them with diseases that their immunity systems weren't capable of overcoming. Some tradition.
Deviant behavior? I guess Talkhard/Shooter is pretty much an expert on the subject, so maybe he's right? Maybe we can find the answer on his webpage: http://www.talkhard.5u.com/
It may just be me but shouldn't this thread be renamed and move to the OT/Politics forum? I come here for basketball not to see people bashing each other. I avoid the OT forum as I get enough of that already. I come here for basketball. Gramps...
To me, the irony in all of this is that crandc got just what she was after....a long discussion of her agenda (which she claims doesn't exist.) All of you that are fussing over this are just helping out. As someone else said, just get over it.
Personally, I hope that part isn't true. I don't have a problem with gay couples, but I think it would be wrong for them to raise children. Call me old-fashioned, a bigot, or whatever, but I think that's wrong.
Studies have found zero evidence that children raised by gay couples are any less happy or well-adjusted (as children or later in life) than children raised by straight couples. So, if that's your concern, it's unfounded. If your opposition isn't based on the welfare of the child, then yes, it's just bigotry. And it will happen. It's not at all uncommon across Europe and as religious fundamentalism drops in this country, it will become perfectly acceptable here, too. Opposition to gay marriage and gay adoption drops with age. As the older generation passes on and the younger, more tolerant generation becomes the majority of the voter base, gay rights will gain more and more traction.
If we keep redefining everything, maybe a hundred years from now people will call a television a watermelon instead. What if they look back on people who tried to equate an unfortunate brain disorder with skin color as the people who finished off this country once and for all?
I'm in the phillipines right now, its a VERY religious country, I'm pretty surprised how many transvestites are out walking around the streets.....like dudes in dresses and lipstick...pretty crazy.
Yes, but you should understand that that's exactly what many people used to say about the idea of interracial marriage and women's rights. Much unhappiness about how America was losing its way by abandoning traditional notions of the woman's place in society and the purity of races. And how it would hurt American society. Society hasn't been hurt by those things in the slightest, and it won't be hurt by gay rights. I understand that you will never, ever change your mind on this. That's fine. I'm heartened by the fact that people with your mindset will dwindle further and further into minority until, like past notions of the ills of women voting or taking part in the workforce or the ills of interractial marriage, the whole idea of preventing gays from marrying or adopting becomes laughable. The Roman empire didn't fall apart due to homosexuality being acceptable. It fell apart due to corruption, the undermining of the democratic process and the concomitant curtailment of individual rights. Also, empires are inherently unstable, in the historical view. You can subjugate far-flung provinces for only so long.
You've already admitted that you're a troll on subjects like these, so you'll forgive me if I don't rise to the bait.
do you believe this acceptance will eventually fall the slippery slope to other "taboos" such as pedophilla, beastilaity, etc? Why or why not? I believe there are advocacy groups such as NAMBLA out there right now....maybe in 15-20 years, who knows what will happen.
Makes me sad that you would think that what I said isn't true. What isn't a brain disorder these days? Not trying to "troll" as people say, just trying to play devil's advocate.
No, because unlike gay marriage, pedophilia and beastiality aren't only between consenting adults. Pedophilia has actually been shown to harm children, emotionally. Beastiality would fall under mistreatment of animals. Legislating against harm to others is perfectly valid. Legislating "I don't personally like it, so you please don't do it" isn't.
