I didn't mention anything about mating of "different species". You really aren't getting it, are you? I said it (homosexuality) occurs in nature. So you said that "if I video tape a cat and a dog having relations, it must be natural too". But that is not the same as homosexuality.
Sure it is. If it happens in nature or if an animal's natural instinct is to have sex with another species, according to your logic, it is natural. You can't be selective when you make broad statements like "if it happens in nature, its natural". [video=youtube;xNIC-jZVmwg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNIC-jZVmwg[/video] they're both male too! If you want to use the whole "nature" argument, there are a lot of anomalies in nature...why don't you try again. Nature is crazy. You say that homosexuality is natural because it occurs in nature, then refuse to acknowledge other behaviors that occur in nature as being natural, yet would fit the same system of logic. I'm not comparing the two, just not a fan of people using bad logic in arguments.
I didn't refuse it. I haven't refused that strange things happen in nature. But I'm not sure what cats and dogs have to do with what is being discussed. It's not a proof of anything. That's ironic coming from you.
lol...BenDavis got banned...that is pretty tough to do here....and coming from me that means something
BenDavis is a moron. Also, I think lesbians should only get married if they are hot.* *Disclaimer: I mean this as a joke and I have nothing against gays, males or females. So please, lets not get homo up in here. No pun intended.
I never said it was proof of anything. The fact is you made the blanket statement that if something occurs in nature, it therefore is "natural". So anything that ever occurs in nature, is natural. If an adult animal has sex with a child animal, its natural. If a mother animal canabalizes their children in nature, it is natural. So for you to just use the argument that since homosexuality occurs in nature, it is natural, is a weak and broad argument that lacks any sort of impact for anything in this discussion. I'm just pointing it out. Nothing more.
you are aware that I was responding the comment that it's not "natural", when in fact it occurs in nature. So bringing up cats and dogs or the other stuff you brought up does not make the point you think it does.
Not really. Something that occurs in nature is, by definition, natural. It does not mean that humans do it. But the comment was that homosexuality does not occur in nature, so therefore it is not "natural". But it does occur in nature. Bringing up your points has no bearing on my comment, nor does it take away from what I said. So, no it doesn't. You just thought you made a good call, or pointed out some kind of paradox. That's straight from the Kirk Cameron school of "see? This here banana proves there's a God" arguing.
The trend has NOT been for more and more individual rights. It has been for more and more rights, for certain previously oppressed GROUPS, insofar as they aren't infringing on other people's personal autonomy. That's good. But in the bigger picture I'd say individual rights in America have waned, not waxed, in the last 3-4 decades. Just a few examples that come to mind: 1. For the average previously un-oppressed Caucasian American Citizen, there has been a severe diminishing of indidual rights. They are each, as individuals, denied a level playing field in receiving scholarships, grants, jobs, careers...due to Affirmative Action and it's devastating domino effect throughout society. I could rant all day about Government-sanctioned Racism and it's role in the belittlement of the Civil Rights Movement, but I'll move on. 2. For any person who hasn't already established themselves in their final career, they are now required to piss in a bottle (Waive their 5th Amendment Rights) to even be considered for a job at the 7-11, never mind a real career. 3. We all are required to submit to a wide variety of personal intrusions including background checks, medical records checks, and a "waiting" period...to simply exercise our 2nd Amendment rights. Our right to freedom of travel (another 5th Amendment Right) is rapidly being assailed under similar restrictions. 4. We are now charged a fee simply to walk on OUR Public lands. 5. Our phones are tapped, our emails spied on, our library and medical records scanned for "unpatriotic activities" and "deviancy"... 6. There are entire cities where a person can no longer smoke, regardless of a lack of proximity to other people. Strangely, I cannot think of a single Freedom or Right that has been newly granted to me since I was born. Only ones I've had taken from me, (on paper at least).
please dont...just because we accept it here doesnt mean it NEEDS to be here Now if its offensive to some but you like it for what it is then go for it!
