Bogus! This thread really got locked?

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think the point is that you, as a straight white male, can't give an informed opinion.

Put it this way, say you were getting your taxes done - your mail carrier might have his thoughts on taxes but the opinion of the H&R Block guy is going to matter a whole lot more because he lives taxes every day.

Then the point is wrong.

 

[H.C.]

@Orion Bailey
After reading the previous thread, I don't think it was created in an attempt to foster a discussion.
If it was meant to be an attempt at that, the choice of words by the OP would have been different.
As when you attempt to foster communication on heated topics you must choose your words carefully.
I also don't believe the comments in return by other posters were meant to foster communication so imo both sides were quite a bit off.

Some of the posts in this thread on both sides are the exact same thing.

 

[Nate]

(pussy azz crackaz dat iz)

When will the cultural appropriation stop

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The important discussion I see it the definition of racism. Dviss1 doesn't like it. I have a hard time discussing things if we don't all use the same terms that mean the same thing.

@Orion Bailey
After reading the previous thread, I don't think it was created in an attempt to foster a discussion.
If it was meant to be an attempt at that, the choice of words by the OP would have been different.
As when you attempt to foster communication on heated topics you must choose your words carefully.
I also don't believe the comments in return by other posters were meant to foster communication so imo both sides were quite a bit off.

Some of the posts in this thread on both sides are the exact same thing.

Ok

 

[Natebishop3]

I think the point is that you, as a straight white male, can't give an informed opinion.

Put it this way, say you were getting your taxes done - your mail carrier might have his thoughts on taxes but the opinion of the H&R Block guy is going to matter a whole lot more because he lives taxes every day.

And I find that ludicrous. To completely discount someone because of their skin color is absurd. Does a black person from England get to have an opinion on violence in Chicago simply because they're black? Would their opinion carry more weight than a white person who grew up in the same neighborhoods and experience many of the same violence?

To say that a straight white male cannot give an informed opinion on ANY subject because they're white is to essentially embrace the very thing that civil rights activists were fighting in the first place. We have people who are experts on ancient Rome. I'm pretty sure they weren't alive to experience ancient Rome, so is their opinion invalid? People can learn. They can experience. They can observe. We should NEVER discount someone's opinion simply because they're white or black or Asian or whatever.

I seriously don't understand why I'm having to even say this.

 

[Cippy91]

@Orion Bailey
After reading the previous thread, I don't think it was created in an attempt to foster a discussion.
If it was meant to be an attempt at that, the choice of words by the OP would have been different.
As when you attempt to foster communication on heated topics you must choose your words carefully.
I also don't believe the comments in return by other posters were meant to foster communication so imo both sides were quite a bit off.

Some of the posts in this thread on both sides are the exact same thing.

Questioning my motives now huh? So I created a thread just to start shit? No. I don't think enough attention is on Chicago and the weekly murders that occur there of young black men. I post a status about it wondering, asking. Quite frankly I hate the fact young people are dying for no reason yet we have a group of people from the same race claiming police are hunting them. It's just not true. Dviss had nothing to say to me on any point I made on that thread except my original post. Claimed I was whitesplaining and how white people are the opressor. If anything dviss comes from an angle where he really sounds like he might be a racist towards white people. Claims I don't care. Then why am I making a post raising awareness on the situation? Dviss deflects immediately from the topic to talk about white murders. Yeah it's true. White in white crime is up there with black on black crime but the alarming statistic is blacks make up 13 percent of America. We are around 70 percent. For the murder rate to be identical is an issue.


I never understood why a black person can have an opinion on white people saying whatever they want but as soon as a white person brings up a black issue, he/she is either not allowed or called a racist, blamed for bad intentions, etc. the way for things to get better is to have an open dialogue without words such as whitesplaining and basically saying GTFO I'm right because I'm black. I understand why the thread was closed because it got off topic and I just got annoyed and didn't care to be serious anymore after being told by a few progressives in the forum the same old redundant mansplaining/whitesplaining shit. My original intent was to have real discussion about it. Kind of hard to do when people deflect and when people deflect, that means there is truth to the original thing I said

 

[Nate]

And I find that ludicrous. To completely discount someone because of their skin color is absurd. Does a black person from England get to have an opinion on violence in Chicago simply because they're black? Would their opinion carry more weight than a white person who grew up in the same neighborhoods and experience many of the same violence?

To say that a straight white male cannot give an informed opinion on ANY subject because they're white is to essentially embrace the very thing that civil rights activists were fighting in the first place. We have people who are experts on ancient Rome. I'm pretty sure they weren't alive to experience ancient Rome, so is their opinion invalid? People can learn. They can experience. They can observe. We should NEVER discount someone's opinion simply because they're white or black or Asian or whatever.

I seriously don't understand why I'm having to even say this.

Because white people are the devil.

America is full of a bunch of neo-MalcolmLittles. But they all ignore the last part of his life.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

And I find that ludicrous. To completely discount someone because of their skin color is absurd. Does a black person from England get to have an opinion on violence in Chicago simply because they're black? Would their opinion carry more weight than a white person who grew up in the same neighborhoods and experience many of the same violence?

To say that a straight white male cannot give an informed opinion on ANY subject because they're white is to essentially embrace the very thing that civil rights activists were fighting in the first place. We have people who are experts on ancient Rome. I'm pretty sure they weren't alive to experience ancient Rome, so is their opinion invalid? People can learn. They can experience. They can observe. We should NEVER discount someone's opinion simply because they're white or black or Asian or whatever.

I seriously don't understand why I'm having to even say this.

You know, I've been saying for years that sticking my junk in a blender would suck. I've never done it because I think it would be painful and debilitating.

NEVER KNEW HOW UNINFORMED I WAS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED IT FIRST HAND.

So stupid.

 

[H.C.]

Questioning my motives now huh? So I created a thread just to start shit? No. I don't think enough attention is on Chicago and the weekly murders that occur there of young black men. I post a status about it wondering, asking. Quite frankly I hate the fact young people are dying for no reason yet we have a group of people from the same race claiming police are hunting them. It's just not true.

I mean I can try to explain how it looks like your using two different topics to race bait.
But you just did it again right here... So I don't see the point

 

[Cippy91]

I mean I can try to explain how it looks like your using two different topics to race bait.
But you just did it again right here... So I don't see the point

Now I'm race baiting lol okay. I brought up cops because in my original post somebody claimed that cops hunt black men down. I related the two in this post. It's not fucking race baiting and still dviss has yet to respond to anything I say with any sort of point. Anybody for that matter. The only people that tried to make a point dmeolished it the second they said whitesplaining, and mansplaining.

By the way it's ironic I'm called out for racebaiting by a guy with the name honkicracker

 

[barfo]

I closed the thread.

It went from minority violence in Chicago and BLM to complaining, arguing and insults. Someone gets pissed and instead of talking with them about it others have to drum up reasons why they're more pissed. You guys need to be nicer to each other.

modsplaining.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

Now I'm race baiting lol okay. I brought up cops because in my original post somebody claimed that cops hunt black men down. I related the two in this post. It's not fucking race baiting and still dviss has yet to respond to anything I say with any sort of point. Anybody for that matter. The only people that tried to make a point dmeolished it the second they said whitesplaining, and mansplaining.

By the way it's ironic I'm called out for racebaiting by a guy with the name honkicracker

Sigh, this is why I said I can try.


Don't care about my moniker huh? two threads you've now talked about it or brought it up.
Obviously you don't care.

Have a nice day. - Mick Foley

 

[Cippy91]

Sigh, this is why I said I can try.


Don't care about my moniker huh? two threads you've now talked about it or brought it up.
Obviously you don't care.

Have a nice day. - Mick Foley

I don't care I just think it's ironic a guy named honkicracker is calling anybody out for race baiting. It's funny

You never addressed anything. How am I race baiting?

 

[Spud147]

They actually would be pretty close. H&R block is awful. I've known many of their preparers that know nothing. The computer software they use just asks the preparer a bunch of questions trying to minimize risk.

CPA well versed in taxes would be a better bet and example.

I think, as a moderator, if you're going to take a serious response to a serious discussion and dismiss it by picking apart a detail that's really irrelevant to the point you should just ignore my posts.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I think, as a moderator, if you're going to take a serious response to a serious discussion and dismiss it by picking apart a detail that's really irrelevant to the point you should just ignore my posts.

I apologize if i hit a button.

Someone calling a h&r block person competent is a button of mine.

But you're right, didn't have much to do with your point.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Also, if not being able to say something not completely on topic was a rule for moderators, then all of us would have been fired from a volunteer job long ago.

 

[Denny Crane]

Blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah

indeed

 

[Denny Crane]

This

thread

needs

cransplaining.

(is that explaining or complaining?)

 

[crandc]

Cippy said I read buzzfeed for news. To the best of my knowledge I never have (I say to the best of my knowledge because I may have clicked a link at some time.)

What I find offensive and clearly dviss does as well is someone starting a thread about something he clearly knows nothing about. He says "no one is talking about" something people are talking about. He says BLM is "not talking about" something they are talking about. Followed by a bunch of white boys all talking about "this is what is wrong with black people". No mention of Chicago's hyper-segregated school system, overcrowded classes, often no books at all, no heat in winter. No mention of social conditions. So clearly all these white boys are saying African-Americans have some kind of "crime gene" that makes them kill each other especially in Chicago and therefore police murders are justified or unimportant. Cippy, who did not read the study about Oakland policing or even the news report, insisted he knows all about why cops in Oakland treat black and white motorists differently and of course it's because those nasty black people.

Then it degenerated into personal insults. You can't have a different opinion, you are "retarded". Don't blame dviss for getting sick of aholes.

 

[Denny Crane]

Closing the thread only made a 2nd thread with the same posts.

 

[Nate]

Cippy said I read buzzfeed for news. To the best of my knowledge I never have (I say to the best of my knowledge because I may have clicked a link at some time.)

What I find offensive and clearly dviss does as well is someone starting a thread about something he clearly knows nothing about. He says "no one is talking about" something people are talking about. He says BLM is "not talking about" something they are talking about. Followed by a bunch of white boys all talking about "this is what is wrong with black people". No mention of Chicago's hyper-segregated school system, overcrowded classes, often no books at all, no heat in winter. No mention of social conditions. So clearly all these white boys are saying African-Americans have some kind of "crime gene" that makes them kill each other especially in Chicago and therefore police murders are justified or unimportant. Cippy, who did not read the study about Oakland policing or even the news report, insisted he knows all about why cops in Oakland treat black and white motorists differently and of course it's because those nasty black people.

Then it degenerated into personal insults. You can't have a different opinion, you are "retarded". Don't blame dviss for getting sick of aholes.

So woke

 

[Natebishop3]

Also, if not being able to say something not completely on topic was a rule for moderators, then all of us would have been fired from a volunteer job long ago.

Sly is the worst offender in the history of the internet.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Ahh, shit. The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

No, not over this thread.

Just noticed @JFizzleRaider is a Global Moderator. WTF? When did this happen? Is he drunk with power yet?

 

[Natebishop3]

Ahh, shit. The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

No, not over this thread.

Just noticed @JFizzleRaider is a Global Moderator. WTF? When did this happen? Is he drunk with power yet?

Pretty sure that dude has been a global mod since before the beginning of time.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Pretty sure that dude has been a global mod since before the beginning of time.

Yeah, I was thinking about that after my post. I don't really pay that much attention or care enough...

 

[Denny Crane]

When people volunteer to help keep the whole site free of spam and spammers, we make them global moderators.

 

[Cippy91]

Cippy said I read buzzfeed for news. To the best of my knowledge I never have (I say to the best of my knowledge because I may have clicked a link at some time.)

What I find offensive and clearly dviss does as well is someone starting a thread about something he clearly knows nothing about. He says "no one is talking about" something people are talking about. He says BLM is "not talking about" something they are talking about. Followed by a bunch of white boys all talking about "this is what is wrong with black people". No mention of Chicago's hyper-segregated school system, overcrowded classes, often no books at all, no heat in winter. No mention of social conditions. So clearly all these white boys are saying African-Americans have some kind of "crime gene" that makes them kill each other especially in Chicago and therefore police murders are justified or unimportant. Cippy, who did not read the study about Oakland policing or even the news report, insisted he knows all about why cops in Oakland treat black and white motorists differently and of course it's because those nasty black people.

Then it degenerated into personal insults. You can't have a different opinion, you are "retarded". Don't blame dviss for getting sick of aholes.

How do I not know anything about what's going on in Chicago? I posted a few videos giving you a background to the life there, and statistics. Nobody is talking about it, never hear it brought up in mainstream media at all. I mention BLM because a good majority of the people in that movement wanna talk about black lives so much but fail to mention any taken by other black people. Black on black crime is an issue given the numbers and to ignore that is ignorant. I have watched documentaries, made sure to watch live coverage of every one of the big protests from ferguson to Baltimore. Hours and hours of footage.

Bunch of "white boys" huh? Lol okay. I find it ridiculous that bcause of my skin color I'm told I can't talk about another races glaring issues. That n itself is racist and if you're white then you're playing that "white ally" role which is illogical and full of people who do it just to virtue signal. I never said these specific black people have some sort of mythical crime gene. They are products of their environment and I think you are trying to justify them killing each other by using the fact they grow up in these environments so hey it's okay. There are plenty of successful black people who made it out of the hood and avoided the gang life because they were smart enough. Those neighborhoods need better education as well as dads in the family, another big issue amongst black people. I never said police murders are justified. I think what happened to Eric garner and Freddie gray is wrong. At the same time this doesn't mean cops are hunting blacks and I think people really should put themselves in cops shoes for a second. It's an impossible job and most of those men have families, they aren't robots. It's also not like cops don't kill white people too. Check the numbers. I did not insist I know about the Oakland issue but I will say people like you kinda just virtue signal their way through life and make other sense victims as opposed to truly progressing. You think black people can do no wrong but white people are so evil or racist unless they go along with your narrative. There are most certainly racist policemen out there but there are also cops who work in these neighborhoods every day and probably break at a certain point after taking verbal beatings from these black neighborhoods. Check video I linked in last post to see how those in neighborhoods treat these cops.


you're talking to somebody who grew up on hip hop, favorite sport is basketball, and some of my biggest idols are black from mlk to Ali, Anderson Silva, dame lillard. god forbid though I have an issue with young people dying for no reason, I don't give a fuck what color because I'm on team human. If there was a white issue as big as this I would be talking about it too but tucked away in these cities are murder sprees. Chicago, Baltimore, philly, south central la. Chicago is the worse though and the fact that over two hundred have been murdered in Chicago since the year started, should concern you more than me talking about it but if I was black talking about it I bet you would have no issue.

 

[Natebishop3]

Cippy said I read buzzfeed for news. To the best of my knowledge I never have (I say to the best of my knowledge because I may have clicked a link at some time.)

What I find offensive and clearly dviss does as well is someone starting a thread about something he clearly knows nothing about. He says "no one is talking about" something people are talking about. He says BLM is "not talking about" something they are talking about. Followed by a bunch of white boys all talking about "this is what is wrong with black people". No mention of Chicago's hyper-segregated school system, overcrowded classes, often no books at all, no heat in winter. No mention of social conditions. So clearly all these white boys are saying African-Americans have some kind of "crime gene" that makes them kill each other especially in Chicago and therefore police murders are justified or unimportant. Cippy, who did not read the study about Oakland policing or even the news report, insisted he knows all about why cops in Oakland treat black and white motorists differently and of course it's because those nasty black people.

Then it degenerated into personal insults. You can't have a different opinion, you are "retarded". Don't blame dviss for getting sick of aholes.

Why can't he just be classified as an uninformed asshole? Why does being a "white boy" have to be the determining factor?

 

[Cippy91]

Why can't he just be classified as an uninformed asshole? Why does being a "white boy" have to be the determining factor?

Okay now I guess I'm uninformed white asshole boy


Though I am informed but yeah sure

 

[Cippy91]

Cippy said I read buzzfeed for news. To the best of my knowledge I never have (I say to the best of my knowledge because I may have clicked a link at some time.)

What I find offensive and clearly dviss does as well is someone starting a thread about something he clearly knows nothing about. He says "no one is talking about" something people are talking about. He says BLM is "not talking about" something they are talking about. Followed by a bunch of white boys all talking about "this is what is wrong with black people". No mention of Chicago's hyper-segregated school system, overcrowded classes, often no books at all, no heat in winter. No mention of social conditions. So clearly all these white boys are saying African-Americans have some kind of "crime gene" that makes them kill each other especially in Chicago and therefore police murders are justified or unimportant. Cippy, who did not read the study about Oakland policing or even the news report, insisted he knows all about why cops in Oakland treat black and white motorists differently and of course it's because those nasty black people.

Then it degenerated into personal insults. You can't have a different opinion, you are "retarded". Don't blame dviss for getting sick of aholes.

I find it hilarious you talk about personal insults followed by calling me white boy and asshole. The progressive left...

By the way dviss has yet to respond to any of my points even on my last post and even then all he can say is GTFO