Politics Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals for US election meddling

[SlyPokerDog]

Per the internets.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Russians indicted in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of election meddling to support Donald Trump

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office said Friday that a grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential elections, during which they boosted the candidacy of Donald Trump.

The indictment says that the defendants by early to mid-2016 were "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton."

The indictment said "the organization," known as the Internet Research Agency LLC, "sought, in part, to conduct what it called 'information warfare against the United States of America' through fictitious U.S. personas on social media platforms and other Internet-based media."


"By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," the indictment said.

An announcement from Mueller's office said that the government accuses all the defendants of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Three defendants are charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud.

Five defendants are charged with aggravated identity theft.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html

 

[julius]

Yeah, well dead people voted for Kennedy, so we're even.



#passiveaggressive

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This indictment completely clears the Trump campaign. Says that they were "duped" by Russians posing as Americans.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, I wonder how much that person got paid?

77- On or about August 1 8, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators sent money via interstate wire to another real U.S. person recruited by the ORGANIZATION, using one of their false U.S. personas, to build a cage large enough to hold an actress depicting Clinton in a prison uniform.​

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Mags was a Russian stooge.

Defendants and their co-conspirators thereafter destroyed evidence for the purpose of impeding the investigation. On or about September 13, 2017, KAVERZINA wrote in an email to a family member: "We had a slight crisis here at work: the FBI busted our activity (not a joke). So, I got preoccupied with covering tracks together with the colleagues." KAVERZINA further wrote, "I created all these pictures and posts, and the Americans believed that it was written by their people."​

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html

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Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme, nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election.

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"By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," the indictment said.

 

[Denny Crane]

In addition to disparaging Clinton, they denigrated other candidates, "such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio," and they supported Bernie Sanders

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html

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Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme, nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election.

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"By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," the indictment said.

But Trump asked Putin if Russia meddled in our election, Putin said no and Trump says he believes him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ion-meddling-denial-asia-summit-a8051706.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/poli...p-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

 

[Denny Crane]

But Trump asked Putin if Russia meddled in our election, Putin said no and Trump says he believes him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ion-meddling-denial-asia-summit-a8051706.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/poli...p-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

But, but, but...

Boo f'n hoo.

These indictments have nothing to do with the hacking of the DNC or Komrade Blumenthal.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But, but, but...

Boo f'n hoo.

These indictments have nothing to do with the hacking of the DNC or Komrade Blumenthal.

Psst... I guess you missed the post where I said this clears the Trump campaign.

 

[Denny Crane]

Speaking of the hacking...

This indictment says the Russians used VPNs to spoof as Americans and from computers in the US.

Yet the DNC hired security firm, the only ones to ever see the server to do any forensic analysis, say the Russians didn't try to hide their tracks and specifically talked about which Russian servers/IPs were used.

Then realize that as easy as it is to spoof from computers in the US, it's just as easy for non Russians to spoof from Russian computers.

The FBI and other intel agencies have serious credibility issues on some of these things. They take the word of Steele or the DNC hired security firm and don't check to see if the claims are factual. They seem willing to accept whatever the DNC is paying for as Truth, when it clearly is not.

 

[Denny Crane]

Psst... I guess you missed the post where I said this clears the Trump campaign.

I guess you missed the post where I said this indictment has nothing to do with the actual hacking (theft of emails), the only actual crime involved in any of this nonsense.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I guess you missed the post where I said this indictment has nothing to do with the actual hacking (theft of emails), the only actual crime involved in any of this nonsense.

Yes and it has nothing to do with Pizza and Ping Pong.

It has nothing to do with any of the Kardashians.

It has nothing to do with the NBA All Star game.

It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.

So yes, you keep listing things it has nothing to do with this indictment because that seems really important to you.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes and it has nothing to do with Pizza and Ping Pong.

It has nothing to do with any of the Kardashians.

It has nothing to do with the NBA All Star game.

It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.

So yes, you keep listing things it has nothing to do with this indictment because that seems really important to you.

I guess you missed the post where I said this indictment has nothing to do with the actual hacking (theft of emails), the only actual crime involved in any of this nonsense.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I guess you missed the post where I said this indictment has nothing to do with the actual hacking (theft of emails)

No, I got that part. Nowhere is anyone saying that it does.

Are you talking about the Trump quotes I posted? Those are directly talking about meddling, which is what this indictment is about.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Donald Trump directly asked Russian President Vladimir Putin during their talks at a weekend summit in Vietnam whether allegations of Russian meddling in last year’s U.S. presidential election were true, RIA news agency reported on Sunday. The U.S. president said on Saturday he believed Putin’s denial of the accusations despite the view of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian interference did take place.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-russian-meddling-were-true-ria-idUSKBN1DC0JF


Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/poli...p-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

 

[Denny Crane]

No, I got that part. Nowhere is anyone saying that it does.

Are you talking about the Trump quotes I posted? Those are directly talking about meddling, which is what this indictment is about.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Donald Trump directly asked Russian President Vladimir Putin during their talks at a weekend summit in Vietnam whether allegations of Russian meddling in last year’s U.S. presidential election were true, RIA news agency reported on Sunday. The U.S. president said on Saturday he believed Putin’s denial of the accusations despite the view of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian interference did take place.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-russian-meddling-were-true-ria-idUSKBN1DC0JF


Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/poli...p-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

Speaking of the hacking...

This indictment says the Russians used VPNs to spoof as Americans and from computers in the US.

Yet the DNC hired security firm, the only ones to ever see the server to do any forensic analysis, say the Russians didn't try to hide their tracks and specifically talked about which Russian servers/IPs were used.

Then realize that as easy as it is to spoof from computers in the US, it's just as easy for non Russians to spoof from Russian computers.

The FBI and other intel agencies have serious credibility issues on some of these things. They take the word of Steele or the DNC hired security firm and don't check to see if the claims are factual. They seem willing to accept whatever the DNC is paying for as Truth, when it clearly is not.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yes, you're right, this indictment doesn't talk about hacking. It also doesn't talk about all the people Hillary has killed. So obviously this is a false indictment.

 

[stampedehero]

They are Russian. If I lived in that country, any indictment over 10 is usually true. Less than 10 is fake news.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, you're right, this indictment doesn't talk about hacking. It also doesn't talk about all the people Hillary has killed. So obviously this is a false indictment.

The alleged hacking is Mueller's mandate. You can bring up all the irrelevant crap you want, but it doesn't make you look smart.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

These indictments have nothing to do with the hacking

Speaking of the hacking...

This is hilarious.

"This has nothing to do with hacking." (no one said it did.)

"Hey, speaking of hacking this has nothing to do with it!" (again, no one said it did.)

"But if this has nothing to do with hacking then why do I keep bringing up hacking?" (because you're confused.)
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[Denny Crane]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/russia-responds-absurd-election-meddling-allegations

Russia Responds To "Absurd" Election Meddling Allegations
The indictment of 13 Russian nationals and three entities over allegations by the DOJ that Russians interfered in US elections - but "did not alter the outcome of the 2016 election" nor that any American was a knowing participant in this activity - are absurd, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Friday.

"13 people interfered in the US elections?! 13 against an intelligence services budget of billions? Against intelligence and counterintelligence, against the latest developments and technologies? Absurd? Yes," Zakharovawrote in a post on Facebook.

Then again, what else could she say.

Furthermore, as noted in the DOJ complaint, the funding for the Russian operation came from catering and management companies controlled by defendant Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, a Russian businessman often referred to as "Putin's chef" in the media because his organizations had hosted dinners for Russian President Vladimir Putin and foreign leaders, the AP reported.

Prigozhin was quoted in Russian state media responding to the indictments, saying, "Americans are really impressionable people. They see what they want to see. I greatly respect them. I’m not upset at all that I am on this list. If they want to see the devil, let them see him."

This probably means that Russia will not exactly rush to extradite the 13 named officials to the US. Although, judging by the pic below, one is already deeply embedded within US society...

 

[Denny Crane]

This is hilarious.

"This has nothing to do with hacking." (no one said it did.)

"Hey, speaking of hacking this has nothing to do with it!" (again, no one said it did.)

"But if this has nothing to do with hacking then why do I keep bringing up hacking?" (because you're confused.)
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And you posted twice about Trump's comments ABOUT HACKING.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The alleged hacking is Mueller's mandate. You can bring up all the irrelevant crap you want, but it doesn't make you look smart.

Oh god, you are confused. Here, let me clear that up for you. Here is Mueller's mandate:

 

[Denny Crane]

You're the confused one.

The hacking is the only actual crime.

Posting on social media, even using bots, is.. you know.. freedom of speech.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And you posted twice about Trump's comments ABOUT HACKING.

No, the quotes I posted clearly say "Meddling"

M-e-d-d-l-i-n-g.

Donald Trump directly asked Russian President Vladimir Putin during their talks at a weekend summit in Vietnam whether allegations of Russian meddling

President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hacking is the major claim against the Russians. The only actual crime. It is part of their alleged meddling.

You're really confused and distracted by shiny things.

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-collusion-trump-putin-moscow-kremlin-manafort-kushner-mueller-654216


So what underlying crime could Mueller be investigating? One obvious possibility is hacking the Democratic National Committee and subsequently releasing emails from it via WikiLeaks. Hacking U.S. servers is a crime that is frequently investigated and prosecuted—I handled some of those cases myself. Anyone who agreed to take part in an effort to hack the DNC’s servers committed a crime.

An American could join a Russian conspiracy to hack U.S. servers without ever speaking to the hackers, as long as they knew about the criminal activity and agreed to play a role in it. Conspirators don’t have to know everyone or everything involved a plot—once you join a conspiracy, you’re “all in” and are liable for all foreseeable acts of the other conspirators.

For example, an American who knew about a hacking operation and agreed to distribute or use stolen material could join a conspiracy without knowing the hackers or how the hacking took place. That person could also be charged with abetting the hacking if distributing the stolen material aided in the crime.

That explains why a recent New York Times report that a Ukrainian hacker is helping the FBI with the Russia probe could be important. In order to charge anyone with a crime connected with the Russian hacking, Mueller will first need to prove that the hacking occurred. The testimony of the hacker could establish that the crime occurred, who was responsible for it and how it happened.

The more difficult thing for Mueller to prove is whether an American knowingly joined a Russian criminal conspiracy or aided in one. That’s why recent report sthat Mueller is focused on Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer is unsurprising, given the emails Trump Jr. released establish that he knew Moscow wanted to help his father’s campaign and he welcomed the assistance.

As I told The New York Times, that email string is not sufficient to prove that Trump Jr. joined a conspiracy. Again, Mueller needs to prove that Trump Jr. helped commit a crime or agreed to do so.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The hacking is the only actual crime.

The DOJ disagrees.