OT El Paso bristles at Trump's claim that wall made city safe

[Lanny]

Here's an AP story on the subject -
https://www.apnews.com/a28aaa503d684b86b492b1dec58f78f2

 

[dviss1]

I saw the mayor on CNN today and he said Trump was full of shit.

I saw the stats, and yep, Drumpf is full of shit.

 

[e_blazer]

So what else is new? Both sides are full of shit. The "wall" has become a knee jerk stimulus for both sides. The Trump position that a wall across most of the southern border is a panacea to illegal immigration is absurd. So is the equally nonsensical Democratic position that walls don't work...at all...ever...they're outdated...and they're RACIST!!!! It's hard to find anything about the El Paso wall that isn't totally slanted one way or the other, but this Politifact column is about as close as I could come:

https://www.politifact.com/texas/st...tator-el-paso-fencing-2010-drove-down-violen/

 

[stampedehero]

Texas is free from all crime according to Trump....... today

 

[dviss1]

Both sides are full of shit.

I'm so tired on this bullshit.

Democrats aren't putting kids in cages...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm so tired on this bullshit.

Democrats aren't putting kids in cages...

Actually they did.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/

 

[dviss1]

and they're RACIST!!!!

Link?

Until you provide one from a reputable source this is just another load of crap.

Also... It's the president who's the racist, not the wall.

 

[dviss1]

Actually they did.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/

Stop with this bullshit. They didn't separate them from their parents. Stop with the false equivalencies...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Stop with this bullshit. They didn't separate them from their parents. Stop with the false equivalencies...

That picture with the child in the cage was literally from 2014.

 

[dviss1]

That picture with the child in the cage was literally from 2014.

Get back to me when you have evidence of separation...

That fucking BITCH couldn't tell us how many kids died in their custody....

Now, hoist yourself up OUT of the water and safely onto the door before your president watches you die....

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Get back to me when you have evidence of separation...

That fucking BITCH couldn't tell us how many kids died in their custody....

Now, hoist yourself up OUT of the water and safely onto the door before your president watches you die....

The kid was in a cage when Obama was President in 2014.

How is that not separation?

 

[barfo]

The kid was in a cage when Obama was President in 2014.

How is that not separation?

I don't know myself, but possibly the kid crossed alone, or parents were dead, or in the hospital, or parents were busted for crimes greater than crossing the border, or...

barfo

 

[calvin natt]

I don't know myself, but possibly the kid crossed alone, or parents were dead, or in the hospital, or parents were busted for crimes greater than crossing the border, or...

barfo

Oh your parents are dead? Here, get in this cage.

 

[barfo]

Oh your parents are dead? Here, get in this cage.

Wasn't defending putting kids in cages. I was addressing El Prez's question.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

The kid was in a cage when Obama was President in 2014.

How is that not separation?

So you don't know, you're assuming. Typical.

 

[dviss1]

AMAZING the whataboutism.

Trump ACTUALLY separated kids from their parents and y'all don't give a shit...

I can't wait till this motherfucker is impeached.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So you don't know, you're assuming. Typical.

Yes, maybe the parents took the picture.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

AMAZING the whataboutism.

Trump ACTUALLY separated kids from their parents and y'all don't give a shit...

I can't wait till this motherfucker is impeached.

Is it separated or put in cages? You said "put in cages" where I replied that this happened under Demcrats (Obama). Somehow you changed this to mean "separated".

Democrats aren't putting kids in cages...

 

[dviss1]

Yes, maybe the parents took the picture.

You don't fucking know where his parents are not do you know or care anything about the situation. You wanna use it to equate the racist you voted for with Obama. You make yourself look silly.

That Trump train is about to derail.

 

[dviss1]

Is it separated or put in cages? You said "put in cages" where I replied that this happened under Demcrats (Obama). Somehow you changed this to mean "separated".

Say what you want it's about child separation. Again, how many kids have died under your presidents watch?

Nvm they don't know (or care).

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Say what you want it's about child separation. Again, how many kids have died under your presidents watch?

Nvm they don't know (or care).

Again, you stated that democrats didn't put kids in cages. Admit you are wrong and I'll answer you.

 

[e_blazer]

Link?

Until you provide one from a reputable source this is just another load of crap.

Also... It's the president who's the racist, not the wall.

Here’s an MSNBC interview where they quote Pelosi as saying the wall is immoral and Jeff Merkley says the wall is a racist symbol.

 

[Lanny]

So what else is new? Both sides are full of shit. The "wall" has become a knee jerk stimulus for both sides. The Trump position that a wall across most of the southern border is a panacea to illegal immigration is absurd. So is the equally nonsensical Democratic position that walls don't work...at all...ever...they're outdated...and they're RACIST!!!! It's hard to find anything about the El Paso wall that isn't totally slanted one way or the other, but this Politifact column is about as close as I could come:

https://www.politifact.com/texas/st...tator-el-paso-fencing-2010-drove-down-violen/

Walls are not outdated but they only work in some places and not to the extent that Trump wants. More officers and technically sophisticated methods are what's needed.

Nobody in the House that has a constituency along the border wants a wall more than what we have now.

 

[MarAzul]

Walls are not outdated but they only work in some places and not to the extent that Trump wants. More officers and technically sophisticated methods are what's needed.

Nobody in the House that has a constituency along the border wants a wall more than what we have now.

It seems right to fix this shit.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm so tired on this bullshit.

Democrats aren't putting kids in cages...

Doesn't mean they aren't full of shit

 

[Mediocre Man]

Say what you want it's about child separation. Again, how many kids have died under your presidents watch?

Nvm they don't know (or care).

Dude......you literally changed your argument in mid argument.

You said, and I quote
"Democrats aren't putting kids in cages"

Yes, they were, so you changed your argument to separated

 

[e_blazer]

Walls are not outdated but they only work in some places and not to the extent that Trump wants. More officers and technically sophisticated methods are what's needed.

Nobody in the House that has a constituency along the border wants a wall more than what we have now.

Agree completely with the first paragraph. The second one is nonsense. I looked up congressional representatives for Texas and Arizona. Texas has 36 reps about 2/3 of whom are Republicans. First guy I googled about the wall, Louie Gohmert, is fully supportive of Trump on the wall. I picked a random Republican Arizona rep, Martha McSally, and she says, "It needs to be a bottom-up approach as far as what the agents need, what the sectors need," McSally said during a discussion on border security last year. "But it certainly includes the border wall, access roads, agents patrolling the border, technology and situational awareness, so they can detect and shut down the activity."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

All this rhetoric is getting out of hand. There was an "incredibly violent" attack on a cameraman at a Trump rally.

The cameraman is fine thank God.

I have to go to work while suffering through the end of a devastating illness (bronchitis) so I feel his pain.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

All this rhetoric is getting out of hand. There was an "incredibly violent" attack on a cameraman at a Trump rally.

The cameraman is fine thank God.

I have to go to work while suffering through the end of a devastating illness (bronchitis) so I feel his pain.

Just read the OT section here... People are angry, are constantly being riled up, neither side respects the other for the most part. Trump and Hillary spent an entire campaign dividing people as much as possible, most people seem so entrenched in, “Im right you’re wrong”, its almost impossible to have good dialogue and discussion about anything publicly anymore. Trump definitely enjoys the division, much of the major networks do too because it gets ratings.
In politics it has always been get one leg up on the opponent, the obvious out come of that is eventually everyone gets to a height where when they look down they cant see the bottom, so they think the only direction they can go without dying is up.

 

[Hoopguru]

Identity politics make the country easier to govern but it does make it tougher to live in too. I feel sorry for my grandkids and youngsters because they are being taught basically to pick a side or group. This kind of politics is driven by that all Americans are part of a subgroup, unfortunately many times it's a racial category. The motivation is pretty much achieving political power and driving resources to your party or group. This is tribalism. We are seeng it first hand now and its no way to run country, to divisive, No more room for respect of other views, tribalism is inherently unreasonable. Its impossible to have debates anymore, it's only victory or defeat for the side or group. Basically anymore its your gain is my loss approach, tribalism. It doesn't end well for countries that are entrenched with such behavior.