Rumor SPURS TO TRADE LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE TO PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS, DEMAR DEROZAN TO MIAMI HEAT

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Not sure if this has been posted. If true, I hope we aren't giving much up...

I think that the only way it would get done is if Whiteside bought into the idea of a sign-and-trade and was willing to take a 3 year deal with only the first year guaranteed. That way, the Spurs aren't committing any more money than they're already committing to LMA. Whiteside is never going to sniff another contract near $24 million again in his career, so getting an additional year at that rate could be enough incentive. Being a free agent this summer is going to suck, so this may be the best option for him. I assume that the Spurs would want some young talent, but might be happy just to get our first round pick. From the Blazers' viewpoint, I think a 4-man rotation at PF and C of Nurk, Collins, Aldridge and Melo would be pretty darned solid.
 
We are going to be hearing this for a while now. Why wouldn't SA entertain other sign & trades if they cant pull of a straight across deal. They will want someone for more than 1 year and I doubt it would be Whiteside.
 
I never liked Derozan's game, but he was phenomenal in the Bubble. Essentially turned into a PG. THAT SAID: he shot a total of 5 three pointers in the eight games (in 226 minutes), so not really built for the modern game. Oh, and he made one. Those are Ben Simmons-like numbers.
 
We are going to be hearing this for a while now. Why wouldn't SA entertain other sign & trades if they cant pull of a straight across deal. They will want someone for more than 1 year and I doubt it would be Whiteside.

Because it takes 3 to do the sign-and-trade tango. LMA has said he wants to finish up with Dame. Assuming that's true (and with LMA who the heck knows?) then he would probably prefer to do the S&T this off-season, but he can also just choose to play out his contract in San Antonio. I suppose there's a chance that they can find another team that is willing to do a straight trade for him, but often teams try to accommodate a fading star's end of career ambitions. I think it's just a matter of how much the Spurs can extract from the Blazers. Whiteside is strictly a one-year salary cap throw-in.
 
Because it takes 3 to do the sign-and-trade tango. LMA has said he wants to finish up with Dame. Assuming that's true (and with LMA who the heck knows?) then he would probably prefer to do the S&T this off-season, but he can also just choose to play out his contract in San Antonio. I suppose there's a chance that they can find another team that is willing to do a straight trade for him, but often teams try to accommodate a fading star's end of career ambitions. I think it's just a matter of how much the Spurs can extract from the Blazers. Whiteside is strictly a one-year salary cap throw-in.
I understand but if other teams are also interested wouldn't it benefit SA to take the best deal?
 
I understand but if other teams are also interested wouldn't it benefit SA to take the best deal?

Sure, if there's a team that's willing to give SA a better package for a one-year rental of LMA than the Blazers are willing to offer, or if LMA decides that there are other places he wouldn't mind finishing his career than Portland, then the whole thing falls apart.
 
Frankly, unless the market for Whiteside is a lot stronger than I think it will be, it would surprise me if it doesn't.
I think it'll be young guys in the trade..and cheaper contracts...if Lamarcus wants to come here they might work with him....I remember when we got Sasha Pavlovic basically for free and I think it was Boston that paid his salary to play here that year....although he got foot injuries and didn't play much. Who knows? I do think cost cutting is going to happen all across the league before next season...Whiteside would work money wise for sure. I'm thinking Zach Collins would interest the Spurs alot more
 
I think it'll be young guys in the trade..and cheaper contracts...if Lamarcus wants to come here they might work with him....I remember when we got Sasha Pavlovic basically for free and I think it was Boston that paid his salary to play here that year....although he got foot injuries and didn't play much. Who knows? I do think cost cutting is going to happen all across the league before next season

The Blazers would have to put in players whose salaries total at least around $19 million in order to be able to take on LMA's $24 million contract for next season. Ariza makes $12 million and would be easy to part company with, but coming up with the rest of the filler would be more painful than the Blazers would want to do for Aldridge at this stage of his career. I don't see any way to make it work without including a S&T with Hassan. Maybe there's some creative 3-way deal that would work.
 
What if we let Hassan walk and go after Harrell SP?
 
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this happens
It would surprise the hell out of me. LMA isn't nearly as good as he was when he left, he is now overpaid and still has his horrible non-winning attitude. I don't think he is an effective 4 anymore, I think he is just a stretch 5 and we don't need a 5 with Nurk we need to add a post player that can defend the perimeter and the paint more than we need LMA's offense, attitude and bloated self importance at 24 million. Ariza would be included in the trade and I honestly think Ariza would be better starting at the 4 for us next season than LaMarcus would and Ariza comes at half the price.
 
It would surprise the hell out of me. LMA isn't nearly as good as he was when he left, he is now overpaid and still has his horrible non-winning attitude. I don't think he is an effective 4 anymore, I think he is just a stretch 5 and we don't need a 5 with Nurk we need to add a post player that can defend the perimeter and the paint more than we need LMA's offense, attitude and bloated self importance at 24 million. Ariza would be included in the trade and I honestly think Ariza would be better starting at the 4 for us next season than LaMarcus would and Ariza comes at half the price.
I completely understand why fans don't want him back but I've gotta say...he's learned to play as a big man much better under Pop than he was here...and he no longer has to carry a team here....I'm also underimpressed with Zach Collins return....LA is a huge ugrade right now over Collins.
 
It would surprise the hell out of me. LMA isn't nearly as good as he was when he left, he is now overpaid and still has his horrible non-winning attitude. I don't think he is an effective 4 anymore, I think he is just a stretch 5 and we don't need a 5 with Nurk we need to add a post player that can defend the perimeter and the paint more than we need LMA's offense, attitude and bloated self importance at 24 million. Ariza would be included in the trade and I honestly think Ariza would be better starting at the 4 for us next season than LaMarcus would and Ariza comes at half the price.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obviously, but I think that you're wrong on several points. He and Dame have resolved their problems and have agreed that they will play together in Portland. LMA knows that this is Dame's team. If the Blazers take him on, it's because they're going all-in on a win-now program, so I just don't see the personality conflict issues that existed earlier when LMA was the bigger star. As far as positions go, I think that the Blazers would have a terrific rotation. They can pair Nurk with Melo and LMA with Collins so that there's always someone mobile who can take the PF spot. The $24 million is a bite, but it's only one year and it's less than the $27 million that they've been paying Hassan. We need Ariza at the 3. I don't see him being included in the trade.
 
I think that the only way it would get done is if Whiteside bought into the idea of a sign-and-trade and was willing to take a 3 year deal with only the first year guaranteed. That way, the Spurs aren't committing any more money than they're already committing to LMA. Whiteside is never going to sniff another contract near $24 million again in his career, so getting an additional year at that rate could be enough incentive. Being a free agent this summer is going to suck, so this may be the best option for him. I assume that the Spurs would want some young talent, but might be happy just to get our first round pick. From the Blazers' viewpoint, I think a 4-man rotation at PF and C of Nurk, Collins, Aldridge and Melo would be pretty darned solid.
Pretty sure you cant have two non-guaranteed years on Whitesides contract, and San Antonio is not gonna overpay Whiteside just to trade Aldridge, especially for multiple years.
 
So hypothetically you guys think a lineup of...

Dame
CJ
Melo
LA
Nurk

Gets us to the finals? I don’t see it.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obviously, but I think that you're wrong on several points. He and Dame have resolved their problems and have agreed that they will play together in Portland. LMA knows that this is Dame's team. If the Blazers take him on, it's because they're going all-in on a win-now program, so I just don't see the personality conflict issues that existed earlier when LMA was the bigger star. As far as positions go, I think that the Blazers would have a terrific rotation. They can pair Nurk with Melo and LMA with Collins so that there's always someone mobile who can take the PF spot. The $24 million is a bite, but it's only one year and it's less than the $27 million that they've been paying Hassan. We need Ariza at the 3. I don't see him being included in the trade.
Without Ariza... what's the trade? Also I'm not saying that LMA would want this to be "his" team but he would definitely want to be seen as the number two guy. The idea that he would come off the bench and have a good attitude about it flies in the face of everything we know about LaMarcus and we know LMA very well. It also makes me a little sick thinking about bringing 24 mil off the bench even if it is only for one season, don't forget that we got Hassan to start not to be a back up for a full season. Oh and I still don't know what several points you were disagreeing with me on. Are you saying he is as good or even close to as good as he was when he left? Are you saying that he now has a new winners mentality? Are you saying he's still effective at the 4 at his age and with the way the game has evolved? Are you saying that LMA doesn't still see himself as underestimated but are you also at the same time saying that he isn't incredibly mercurial in his performance with all of it depending on his mood? I'm sure him and Dame could co-exist, Dame could get along with any player in the league who isn't 2015 LaMarcus Aldridge and even then it was LMA that had the problem not Dame.
 
So hypothetically you guys think a lineup of...

Dame
CJ
Melo
LA
Nurk

Gets us to the finals? I don’t see it.
Wow that lineup, given how much Stotts plays his starters, gives up 140 points a game. I mean everyone can score but also no one would be happy with the amount of touches they were getting except Dame who should be the only one who cares about how many touches he's getting.
 
Pretty sure you cant have two non-guaranteed years on Whitesides contract, and San Antonio is not gonna overpay Whiteside just to trade Aldridge, especially for multiple years.

Actually, I was curious about that before I posted so I checked the CBA FAQ page:

"A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced (see question number 39), as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons3. The first year of the contract must be fully guaranteed, but the remaining seasons can be non-guaranteed. The combination of a three-year minimum with a one-year guarantee ensures that the player's new team cannot acquire the player's Bird rights any sooner than if they had signed him directly (if they wanted to re-sign him in less than three years they would first have to waive him, and lose any Bird rights -- see question number 32)."
 
Without Ariza... what's the trade? Also I'm not saying that LMA would want this to be "his" team but he would definitely want to be seen as the number two guy. The idea that he would come off the bench and have a good attitude about it flies in the face of everything we know about LaMarcus and we know LMA very well. It also makes me a little sick thinking about bringing 24 mil off the bench even if it is only for one season, don't forget that we got Hassan to start not to be a back up for a full season. Oh and I still don't know what several points you were disagreeing with me on. Are you saying he is as good or even close to as good as he was when he left? Are you saying that he now has a new winners mentality? Are you saying he's still effective at the 4 at his age and with the way the game has evolved? Are you saying that LMA doesn't still see himself as underestimated but are you also at the same time saying that he isn't incredibly mercurial in his performance with all of it depending on his mood? I'm sure him and Dame could co-exist, Dame could get along with any player in the league who isn't 2015 LaMarcus Aldridge and even then it was LMA that had the problem not Dame.

The trade is Hassan on a 3-year $20M contract with only the first year guaranteed, plus the Blazers #16 first round draft pick for LMA's remaining one year deal.

I'm saying that you can pair LMA with either Collins or Melo and the same with Nurk. Guys are going to have to be on board with getting minutes and not worrying about who's starting. Either Aldridge buys in on that or it's not going to happen.
 
So hypothetically you guys think a lineup of...

Dame
CJ
Melo
LA
Nurk

Gets us to the finals? I don’t see it.

The lineup probably starts as:

Dame
CJ
Ariza
LA
Nurk

But after 5 minutes or so you bring in Collins or Melo at the PF spot and then rotate from there on out.
 
The trade is Hassan on a 3-year $20M contract with only the first year guaranteed, plus the Blazers #16 first round draft pick for LMA's remaining one year deal.

I'm saying that you can pair LMA with either Collins or Melo and the same with Nurk. Guys are going to have to be on board with getting minutes and not worrying about who's starting. Either Aldridge buys in on that or it's not going to happen.
San Antonio isnt going to sign Whiteside for $20M...
 
I completely understand why fans don't want him back but I've gotta say...he's learned to play as a big man much better under Pop than he was here...and he no longer has to carry a team here....I'm also underimpressed with Zach Collins return....LA is a huge ugrade right now over Collins.
Offensively, obviously LMA is a huge upgrade and I mean a monumental upgrade over Zach... I just don't think that LMA can defend the 4 anymore and I know Zach can. Also Zach is definitely going to get better than what we saw from him in his limited bubble stint... that's for sure. How much better, I don't know. What I do know is at the same time LMA is definitely going to get worse... that is also for sure. I think in a magical world without a salary cap but still knowing that you had to pay each guy his salary... San Antonio would jump at the opportunity to trade LaMarcus for Zach straight up and I would be pissed if we did it.
 

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