Which Trade Do You Prefer, Harris or Crash?

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Reports of talks mean these are likely dead or dormant, but if the Blazers could obtain the following offers, which do you prefer?

Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, NO 1st for Devin Harris

Andre Miller & Marcus Camby for Gerald Wallace, DJ Augistin and Diop
 
I prefer Harris to Crash, but am not a huge fan of either of those two specific deals. In the Crash deal, I hate moving Camby, and would prefer it to be Joel, if they want expirings mainly. In the first, if they need to move Harris to make space for Carmelo, and need a little help in facilitating a three team trade, then I'm keeping Rudy and my first. Maybe I'd take Balkman from Denver, and save them his salary instead.
 
Trade #2 definitely not...it weakens our PG and C positions and doesnt improve SF enough to justify.

Trade #1 the price is a little steep, I'd do it without the pick involved. Pretty fair trade for both teams. Especially when you consider the fact that we don't know what the hell Rudy is gonna do next summer.
 
I would prefer to have Harris as I think he's a bigger need than Wallace and, I think, less injury prone.
 
#1 because Harris is more durable and point guard is much more of a need in the wake of a Miller trade than small forward. I think Harris fits better with Matthews and Batum than does Wallace.
 
Devin shoots 30.2 % from 3 pt career wise
Augustin shoots 40.6% and is also 3 inches shorter
Miller shoots just 20.5% career wise from 3


I think if NJ wants Miller to pair with Carmelo we have some leverage. Giving Rudy and NO 1st seems kind of steep

I am leaning towards Crash and the Charlotte deal. I think it gives us more depth and I like Crash's hustle and boarding.
 
Obviously, Harris since it gets a talented PG who fits age-wise with our core and leaves us with Camby still available to hold down the C spot.
 
I'm quite amazed that people view adding the first round pick and Fernandez as steep for Harris, who's been extremely productive the last few years and is decently young (young prime). Fernandez is decent but not an impact player and the first round pick is something like top-ten protected so not an impact selection.
 
C_note said:
Trade #2 definitely not...it weakens our PG and C positions and doesnt improve SF enough to justify.

Trade #1 the price is a little steep, I'd do it without the pick involved. Pretty fair trade for both teams. Especially when you consider the fact that we don't know what the hell Rudy is gonna do next summer.
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I think Rudy is trying to play good soldier, but I strongly doubt that any of the issues he had over the summer have been completely resolved. I'm just happy that he's starting to play pretty good because it means he actually does have some trade value. Secondly, I suppose you might pencil in Eliot Williams as the backup 2 guard.
 
Minstrel said:
I'm quite amazed that people view adding the first round pick and Fernandez as steep for Harris, who's been extremely productive the last few years and is decently young (young prime). Fernandez is decent but not an impact player and the first round pick is something like top-ten protected so not an impact selection.
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It's a pittance if it means getting a player of Harris' caliber.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Secondly, I suppose you might pencil in Eliot Williams as the backup 2 guard.
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I think Roy can be a solid backup shooting guard. His play is tremendously disappointing for a starter who was supposed to be the go-to guy, but would be okay off the bench.
 
Minstrel said:
I think Roy can be a solid backup shooting guard. His play is tremendously disappointing for a starter who was supposed to be the go-to guy, but would be okay off the bench.
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Sure ... I guess it also depends on how many games you think he'll play per year too. Regardless, we're staring down the barrel of a lockout; backup shooting guard concerns really ought not to influence trading Rudy.
 
I wouldn't mind keeping Miller around (I know he won't last but the improvements in the games of Aldridge, Matthews, and Rudy might with confidence), and trading Roy (I know it's a long shot).

Things really aren't going well with Rip in Detroit, perhaps there'd be a chance there. Roy might work well with Gordon or Stuckey (been talked about for a while).

Maybe they'd be more enticed if Pryzbilla and Maxiell were added?
 
Minstrel said:
#1 because Harris is more durable and point guard is much more of a need in the wake of a Miller trade than small forward. I think Harris fits better with Matthews and Batum than does Wallace.
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Past 3 seasons games played:

Harris: 64, 69, 64
Wallace: 76, 71, 62

I think Wallace plays quite a bit of PF for the Bobcats. Is that right? I know he averaged 10 boards a game last year. I would assume if that deal went down that LMA would be our 5 and Crash our 4.

BTW my pick is the Crash deal.
 
shamelessblazer said:
I wouldn't mind keeping Miller around (I know he won't last but the improvements in the games of Aldridge, Matthews, and Rudy might with confidence), and trading Roy (I know it's a long shot).

Things really aren't going well with Rip in Detroit, perhaps there'd be a chance there. Roy might work well with Gordon or Stuckey (been talked about for a while).

Maybe they'd be more enticed if Pryzbilla and Maxiell were added?
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I agree with this, although I'm more homerish on Miller than most thinking he isn't going to decline to steeply. Problem is I don't think many (any?) teams are really interested in Roy. I do hate seeing Miller shipped out though.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Past 3 seasons games played:

Harris: 64, 69, 64
Wallace: 76, 71, 62
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Hmm, thanks for the facts, I didn't realize that Harris had missed so much time. That's a bit concerning.
 
Of the two, I pick the Charlotte deal. I think Miller, Rudy and a 1st is too much for Harris.


An interesting thought, who whould be happier to see Augustin? Roy would get a better shooter, and Aldridge would get an ex teammate that likes to push the ball
 
I think that I prefer the NJ deal... because I think that Camby has more value than Rudy and a first.

I believe that Augustin can still become at least an average starting PG, so I think that I like the Charlotte deal a lot more than most here.

Ed O.
 
I like the CHA deal.

I'm not the biggest Devin Harris fan in the world. His supposed defensive prowess has seem to have tapered in proportion to the salary he's drawing. He's not that durable, and he doesn't shoot well from distance. I wouldn't cry if we swapped Andre straight-up for him, but don't do me a favor and buy high on Devin.

I actually like being able to give up Camby instead of Joel in the CHA deal, meaning that we still have ~9M in expiring contracts that we can bring back.

Run Augustin, Matthews, Batum, Wallace and LMA and that's a pretty good defensive squad that can get to the line, shoot 3s, and run run run. You'd have Patty, Rudy, Roy, Dante, Joel and Diop that could come off the bench, and some room for trading later.
 
What about trading for both Wallace and Harris? Miller and pick for Harris; Batum and Przbilla for Wallace. We could have a pretty good defensive team with Camby, Aldridge, Wallace, Matthews and Harris. Might take a while to jell but would be very active and aggressive offensively.
 
1 vote for Crash.

Wallace would be a perfect fit alongside Wes Matthews. They both play all-out, and that style of play, along with LMA beasting, could set the tone for the 'Retooled' Blazers post BRoy. We would have a great wing rotation when Batum is added in.

Whilst Harris is younger, I've never been a huge fan of his game; and I think the Blazers would be better of playing the patience game with the PG position in the hopes that someone comes along, whether through draft or trade, that would fit into the Blazers new style going forward.

Wallace I could see fitting in immediately, but, I just don't see Harris as the long term answer at PG.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
What about trading for both Wallace and Harris? Miller and pick for Harris; Batum and Przbilla for Wallace. We could have a pretty good defensive team with Camby, Aldridge, Wallace, Matthews and Harris. Might take a while to jell but would be very active and aggressive offensively.
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OK, we could also get Kwame Brown in this trade since we would need a backup center, and maybe a wink/wink deal that they would release Joel after 6o days so we could resign him (that would also give him time to become 100% physically and timing).
 
Masbee said:
Reports of talks mean these are likely dead or dormant, but if the Blazers could obtain the following offers, which do you prefer?

Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, NO 1st for Devin Harris

Andre Miller & Marcus Camby for Gerald Wallace, DJ Augistin and Diop
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Neither of these downgrades appeals to me.
 
Masbee said:
Reports of talks mean these are likely dead or dormant, but if the Blazers could obtain the following offers, which do you prefer?

Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, NO 1st for Devin Harris

Andre Miller & Marcus Camby for Gerald Wallace, DJ Augistin and Diop
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#1 if those are the trades, but I thought #1 was Miller, Batum, NO 1st for Harris. I think Batum and miller and 1st is too much for Harris.
 
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