Spencer Hawes v. Greg Monroe

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Hawes might make more sense because we already have a low-post center and actually Robin can score a little bit down there too. Personally I think Channing Frye makes more sense than either, and plays about the same defense.

Neither of them excites me as much as the last couple of seasons' Phantom Free Agent Centers we chased - Hibbert or Splitter.
 
I'd take Hawes all day, every day. With his shooting ability, our offense would be unstoppable. And neither is a good defender-- eye test tells me Hawes is better.

And he'd come cheaper.
 
Remember for Monroe, it's not just Monroe vs Hawes.

Hawes could be an outright sign without giving up players. For Monroe, we would have to trade on of our starters to make contracts work
 
Why do I get the impression that the Monroe "chase" is just to keep Paul Allen happy in the idea that the Blazers can pursue big names?
 
yuyuza1 said:
I'd take Hawes all day, every day. With his shooting ability, our offense would be unstoppable.
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Even more true for Channing Frye.

And he'd come cheaper.
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Probably also true. Plus Channing Frye has (a) professed undying love for the City of Portland, and (b) isn't a fucking Republican. Not to be divisive or anything.
 
magnifier661 said:
Remember for Monroe, it's not just Monroe vs Hawes.

Hawes could be an outright sign without giving up players. For Monroe, we would have to trade on of our starters to make contracts work
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We don't HAVE to trade one of our starters to get $$ to work in trade
 
Monroe. Gives us a lot of flexibility to build the roster. We can keep him and have a great 1-2 punch at PF or we can trade LMA to further build out the roster and get essentially the same for less from Monroe.
 
RR7 said:
We don't HAVE to trade one of our starters to get $$ to work in trade
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Let's be realistic here though. You think Detroit will trade Monroe for a bunch of scrubs, especially on a team that had the worst bench in the nba last season?
 
magnifier661 said:
Let's be realistic here though. You think Detroit will trade Monroe for a bunch of scrubs, especially on a team that had the worst bench in the nba last season?
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Not necessarily "a bunch of scrubs", but perhaps two or three young players with potential (like CJ, Meyers, & Crabbe).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Even more true for Channing Frye.



Probably also true. Plus Channing Frye has (a) professed undying love for the City of Portland, and (b) isn't a fucking Republican. Not to be divisive or anything.
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Agree with all of that. Even point B, which sorta irks me about Hawes -- because he's really vocal about his beliefs, but I can't really use that to gauge his bball prospects.

The other thing when you bring up Frye, though, is that he's 5 years older than the Hawes, and 6 years older than Monroe. This might not matter for our potential window, but still something to keep in mind.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not necessarily "a bunch of scrubs", but perhaps two or three young players with potential (like CJ, Meyers, & Crabbe).
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I still don't see it, especially with so many other teams probably with better potential and cap space to save Detroit money.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Even more true for Channing Frye.



Probably also true. Plus Channing Frye has (a) professed undying love for the City of Portland, and (b) isn't a fucking Republican. Not to be divisive or anything.
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Are u serious?! U wouldn't want a player because he's a republican?
 
yuyuza1 said:
Agree with all of that. Even point B, which sorta irks me about Hawes -- because he's really vocal about his beliefs, but I can't really use that to gauge his bball prospects.

The other thing when you bring up Frye, though, is that he's 5 years older than the Hawes, and 6 years older than Monroe. This might not matter for our potential window, but still something to keep in mind.
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Frye would probably be a better fit with the players on the team personality wise.
 
magnifier661 said:
Let's be realistic here though. You think Detroit will trade Monroe for a bunch of scrubs, especially on a team that had the worst bench in the nba last season?
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What we have to give up to entice Detroit and what we have to give up to match contracts are two different things though. You said we'd have to give a starter to match and that's not accurate.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Plus Channing Frye has (a) professed undying love for the City of Portland, and (b) isn't a fucking Republican. Not to be divisive or anything.
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yuyuza1 said:
Agree with all of that. Even point B, which sorta irks me about Hawes -- because he's really vocal about his beliefs, but I can't really use that to gauge his bball prospects.
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I really don't understand this at all. Why would you at alll care about a players political beliefs. I mean, if our players were Green-Party Nation-of-Islam members who funded abortion clinics, it wouldn't make me root for them any less. Why are you liberals so intolerant? :dunno:
 
RR7 said:
What we have to give up to entice Detroit and what we have to give up to match contracts are two different things though. You said we'd have to give a starter to match and that's not accurate.
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Okay, let me rephrase... We would most likely have to give up Batum.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Agree with all of that. Even point B, which sorta irks me about Hawes -- because he's really vocal about his beliefs, but I can't really use that to gauge his bball prospects.
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Portland seems the right place for him. People rage about their beliefs all the time. Take a trip downtown...people raging, ranting, chanting and protesting about seemingly everything. The fact that his might not agree with most of those shouldn't make a difference.

:matrix:
 
TBpup said:
Portland seems the right place for him. People rage about their beliefs all the time. Take a trip downtown...people raging, ranting, chanting and protesting about seemingly everything. The fact that his might not agree with most of those shouldn't make a difference.

:matrix:
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Agreed.
 
Channing Frye is 31 yrs old. Too old for this team and his expected role. Sorry, this ship has sailed.
Monroe is a young beast. Rebounds and Scores in the paint. Power basketball. Toughness.
Hawes is more of a finesse center. Shoots 3's and facing up. But at 7'1" can get his share of rebounds too.

For me, it comes down to which S&T leaves us better off. I say a flat "no" to Frye.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Channing Frye is 31 yrs old. Too old for this team and his expected role. Sorry, this ship has sailed.
Monroe is a young beast. Rebounds and Scores in the paint. Power basketball. Toughness.
Hawes is more of a finesse center. Shoots 3's and facing up. But at 7'1" can get his share of rebounds too.

For me, it comes down to which S&T leaves us better off. I say a flat "no" to Frye.
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Frye is the old EX from days gone by. Monroe is the smoking hot minx. But Hawes is the one who's pretty and will always be true to you.
 
Scalma said:
And they chose greg Monroe?
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Are you going to whine for the rest of the season that we didn't go after Lebron? Tell me now, so I can make sure to put you on ignore asap.
 
Eastoff said:
Frye is the old EX from days gone by. Monroe is the smoking hot minx. But Hawes is the one who's pretty and will always be true to you.
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Well put. I also think Monroe will command a bigger salary, and for a longer term. Plus, I think Hawes, if anyone, could be the perfect mentor for Leonard.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Well put. I also think Monroe will command a bigger salary, and for a longer term. Plus, I think Hawes, if anyone, could be the perfect mentor for Leonard.
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Oh and I forgot that Hawes would fit with Trob much better than Monroe.

edit: If we go after Monroe, I'd expect we ship out Truck, CJ (to make them happy) and Meyers. We keep Freeland to compliment the lack of defense.
 
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Strenuus said:
Are you going to whine for the rest of the season that we didn't go after Lebron? Tell me now, so I can make sure to put you on ignore asap.
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I haven't even mentioned LeBron. All I'm saying is I doubt any agent would list Portland as a suitor to get more money. Chill out. Only guy I haven't been giddy about is hawes but even then I'd be ok with him if it only cost us freeland and wright. How is that whining? Tell me now.
 
magnifier661 said:
Are u serious?! U wouldn't want a player because he's a republican?
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Totally, who gives a shit. I don't care if Spencer comes to town and walks around with teabags hanging from his fucking head, as long as he keeps hitting that three at a 41% clip.
 
I might not know what I'm talking about at all, but I would think Olshey's #1 objective would be to sign Hawes and then send him to detroit for Monroe if Detroit agrees to that. That way worse case scenario is you signed Spencer Hawes, best case you turn that into Greg Monroe who I think is our real Target. Is this at all a possibility? Or are there restrictions on doing something like that?
 
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