Blazers have talked to San Antonio about Kawhi

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calvin natt said:
LOL I trust Greg fn Popovich and RC Buford.
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Yeah, they got a good deal. An all star, a first, and a decent big for a guy everyone knew was leaving? That’s impressive. And they even got to dump Green lol!
 
yuyuza1 said:
Raptors can field this lineup next season:

Lowry/Green/Kawhi/Ibaka/Valanciunas

with probably the best bench in the league. They can compete for the EC title.
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You’re assuming that Kawhi does more than make the cameo appearance necessary to collect his paycheck. At least Toronto is closer to his team of private rehab consultants in NYC than San Antonio was.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Raptors can field this lineup next season:

Lowry/Green/Kawhi/Ibaka/Valanciunas

with probably the best bench in the league. They can compete for the EC title.
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Who cares about the EC title? It’s about building a Title contender

That team has no chance against whoever comes out of the West, and frankly it doesn’t have much of a chance against the Sixers or Celtics, imo.

They needed to keep DeMar for this to be a needle-mover.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah, they got a good deal. An all star, a first, and a decent big for a guy everyone knew was leaving? That’s impressive. And they even got to dump Green lol!
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An all star that wouldn’t be an all star if he played in the West.
A first that is most likely going to become 2 second rounders

Crazy
 
JoshuaHall said:
Who cares about the EC title? It’s about building a Title contender

That team has no chance against whoever comes out of the West, and frankly it doesn’t have much of a chance against the Sixers or Celtics, imo.

They needed to keep DeMar for this to be a needle-mover.
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Keeping Demar gets them closer to a title than adding a potential top 5 player in his place?
 
dviss1 said:
Toronto is stupid for this trade just like we would be of we traded for him.

He's opting out.

Colin Cowherd is a fool right now talking that LA will trade for him. Why would they do that when he'll just opt out and come over in 19'?
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It's a different philosophy, and maybe the wrong one, but hypothetically if SA was willing to trade him west for a pack as he involving CJ it might have put us in a good spot this year.

For giggles let's say CJ, Aminu and a 1st for Leonard and Green

A lineup of

Dame/Baldwin
Green/Curry/Simons
Leonard/Harkless/Turnrr/Trent jr
Collins/Swanigan
Nurkic/Leonar_

Sign a fa big

Is pretty damn good. Better than what we have now.

IF Leonard walks, what did we really lose?
 
JoshuaHall said:
An all star that wouldn’t be an all star if he played in the West.
A first that is most likely going to become 2 second rounders

Crazy
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I don’t like hypotheticals. Call it whatever you want, DeRozan is better than anyone we got outside Dame.

And there’s a better chance that they get that first than not.
 
Scalma said:
I don’t like hypotheticals. Call it whatever you want, DeRozan is better than anyone we got outside Dame.

And there’s a better chance that they get that first than not.
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You don't think Toronto is finishing top 20 next year?
 
Scalma said:
I don’t like hypotheticals. Call it whatever you want, DeRozan is better than anyone we got outside Dame.

And there’s a better chance that they get that first than not.
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True, but if they get that first it's going to be a late first rounder and next years draft isn't suppose to be very strong so it very well could be a player that doesn't cut it.
 
CupWizier said:
True, but if they get that first it's going to be a late first rounder and next years draft isn't suppose to be very strong so it very well could be a player that doesn't cut it.
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Would you have been happy giving up CJ, Collins, and a first for Kawhi? Because that’s pretty much what Toronto did.
 
Scalma said:
Would you have been happy giving up CJ, Collins, and a first for Kawhi? Because that’s pretty much what Toronto did.
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Not if he ends up bolting to the Lakers.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's a different philosophy, and maybe the wrong one, but hypothetically if SA was willing to trade him west for a pack as he involving CJ it might have put us in a good spot this year.

For giggles let's say CJ, Aminu and a 1st for Leonard and Green

A lineup of

Dame/Baldwin
Green/Curry/Simons
Leonard/Harkless/Turnrr/Trent jr
Collins/Swanigan
Nurkic/Leonar_

Sign a fa big

Is pretty damn good. Better than what we have now.

IF Leonard walks, what did we really lose?
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False choice. It's an unrealistic trade that would never happen because Pop is petty.

You don't think they could've gotten a better package from Philly?? Pop sent him to Toronto as a big fuck you.

False choice.
 
calvin natt said:
How were they going to keep their defensive identity? Hes the best defensive player in the league. The Spurs had no way to avoid getting worse defensively.
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Did the Spurs fall apart last season when he only played 6 games? As a practical matter, this wasn't a trade of Kawhi for DD - this was a trade of an empty seat on the bench for DD.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Did the Spurs fall apart last season when he only played 6 games? As a practical matter, this wasn't a trade of Kawhi for DD - this was a trade of an empty seat on the bench for DD.
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An empty seat on the bench that could have been traded for many other things.
 
e_blazer said:
An empty seat on the bench that could have been traded for many other things.
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Like what? A pu pu platter from LA and Lavar Ball?

They just got a 20 ppg scorer on contract for three years and a decent young big man while getting rid of a guy who was clearly causing chemistry issues in the locker room and was on the last year of his contract.

As I said earlier, we'll be looking up at SA in the standings this year. They might win 50 + again.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Like what? A pu pu platter from LA and Lavar Ball?

They just got a 20 ppg scorer on contract for three years and a decent young big man while getting rid of a guy who was clearly causing chemistry issues in the locker room and was on the last year of his contract.
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Whatever. My only point is that from a trade value standpoint, Kawhi was worth a lot more to the Spurs than an empty seat.

DD doesn’t seem to me like a great fit for the Spurs, but Pops’ brilliance has always been fitting odd parts into the Spurs England making them work.
 
yuyuza1 said:
As I said earlier, we'll be looking up at SA in the standings this year. They might win 50 + again.
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No way they touch 50 wins with losing Parker, Kyle Anderson and Green. Gasol being another year older isn't helping anything either. They could be better than the Blazers, sure, but I think their ceiling is like the 5th seed if nobody gets hurt.
 
e_blazer said:
An empty seat on the bench that could have been traded for many other things.
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Seriously, I doubt that. Not that many teams are in a position to give up a truckload of talent for a one year rental. On top of that is the very real risk that he will never take the court next season and you don't even get one year of contention from the deal.
 

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Just sayin'
 
craigehlo said:
No way they touch 50 wins with losing Parker, Kyle Anderson and Green. Gasol being another year older isn't helping anything either. They could be better than the Blazers, sure, but I think their ceiling is like the 5th seed if nobody gets hurt.
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They got Lonnie Walker who should be better than Parker was last year.
Kyle Anderson is being replaced by Belinelli.
They replaced Kawhi who played only 9 games last year with a healthy Derozan.
And Poeltl should take some of Gasol's minutes.

They won 47 last year. I think they'll be the clear cut #3 in the west next season if nothing else changes.
 
I will be interested to see how good DeMar is now that he's playing in the West...
At least he's going from a mediocre system to a great system (best system of the past 20 years), so he should transition a hell of a lot better than Turner who went through the exact opposite transition.
 
yuyuza1 said:
They got Lonnie Walker who should be better than Parker was last year.
Kyle Anderson is being replaced by Belinelli.
They replaced Kawhi who played only 9 games last year with a healthy Derozan.
And Poeltl should take some of Gasol's minutes.

They won 47 last year. I think they'll be the clear cut #3 in the west next season if nothing else changes.
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I think most of those guys can replace the offense, but not the defense. Add DeRozen to the mix and it makes things worse on D. Plus he is a high usage player, so he'll be taking a lot of touches away from LA who is a more efficient scorer.
 
Scalma said:
Would you have been happy giving up CJ, Collins, and a first for Kawhi? Because that’s pretty much what Toronto did.
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I would only consider it if he was deemed 100% healthy and if he indicated he would want to stay. Danny Green can walk next year and the Blazers could be left with nothing but visions of lottery. What do you think the Olshey bashing would be like if after next year we have nothing to show for CJ, Collins and a first round pick?
 
BrianFromWA said:
-About Everybody, Summer 2017
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True. I just don’t think Kawhi is going to enjoy Toronto. Toronto is a great city, but it’s a total opposite of what Kawhi is used to. Then again so is OKC compared to LA.
 
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