Trade Yes or No?

SlyPokerDog · Oct 13, 2018

SlyPokerDog · Oct 13, 2018

I vote HELL YES!

andalusian · Oct 13, 2018

1 year vs 2. Check.
Getting the Hoop family back. Check.
Canzano has fresh material to rail against. Nay.

Motion passes by 2-1.

Orion Bailey · Oct 13, 2018

No. Randolph is fading fast. Meyers is on his way up( cause he cant go any lower can he?)

BBert · Oct 13, 2018

tester551 · Oct 13, 2018

SlyPokerDog said:

Man, that's a tough one....

ZBo has nothing left, but is on an expiring contract.
Meyers looks like he might contribute a bit, but has 2 years left.

I'd do it if we could flip ZBo to another team. Maybe like this:

SAC: ZBo -> Meyers
Min: Butler -> Aminu, ZBo, 1st
Dieng -> Turner
Por: Aminu, Meyers, 1st -> Butler
Turner -> Dieng

Chris Craig · Oct 13, 2018

TorturedBlazerFan · Oct 13, 2018

Shouldnt their be a poll question?

I vote yes because its one less year.

Strenuus · Oct 13, 2018

Do it, just for the elation of hearing him be traded.

Rastapopoulos · Oct 13, 2018

Only if we can throw in Biggie.

Rastapopoulos · Oct 13, 2018

tiredhunter · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:
Only if we can throw in Biggie.

And give up the drama of Z-Bo having to ask for his number back?

SlyPokerDog · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:

No. We don't want Batum back.

Scalma · Oct 13, 2018

SlyPokerDog said:

Easily.

Hoopguru · Oct 13, 2018

No, I'd rather not.

hoopsjock · Oct 13, 2018

I'm on record as thinking that any trade of Turner or Leonard for a player who's contract ends after this season instead of the two years they have left is a yes. Salary dumping either one without giving up any other assets would be very beneficial.

hoopsjock · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:

Why the heck does Charlotte get Butler and Dieng for Batum and Lamb? Why wouldn't we just trade for Butler and Dieng in this situation?

I know you think Batum is good (he's not), but he has super negative trade value. He might actually have the least amount of trade value in the entire league now that Deng and Noah have been bought out.

kjironman1 · Oct 13, 2018

hoopsjock said:
I'm on record as thinking that any trade of Turner or Leonard for a player who's contract ends after this season instead of the two years they have left is a yes. Salary dumping either one without giving up any other assets would be very beneficial.

It sure would be! Provides a little breathing room.

kjironman1 · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:

Way too complicated for my liking and i just don't want Frenchy here any more.

Scalma · Oct 13, 2018

If we could get Batum for fucking Evan Turner and Harkless, I’d be all over that. Batums efficiency would most likely go back up as his usage would inevitably go down. Batum is exactly what we need. Ballhandler, playmaker, defender who teams can’t sag off of.

kjironman1 · Oct 13, 2018

Scalma said:
If we could get Batum for fucking Evan Turner and Harkless, I’d be all over that. Batums efficiency would most likely go back up as his usage would inevitably go down. Batum is exactly what we need. Ballhandler, playmaker, defender who teams can’t sag off of.

He was pretty tough to watch his last season here. I have read that he isn't any better at this point. But i must admit i have not been watching him much over the last two years.

Rastapopoulos · Oct 13, 2018

hoopsjock said:
Why the heck does Charlotte get Butler and Dieng for Batum and Lamb?

They would have to throw in a pick or two. And getting Dieng is not considered a positive, as he's paid $15M and is hardly played by Thibs.

hoopsjock said:
Why wouldn't we just trade for Butler and Dieng in this situation?

We can't absorb that much salary.

hoopsjock said:
I know you think Batum is good (he's not), but he has super negative trade value. He might actually have the least amount of trade value in the entire league now that Deng and Noah have been bought out.

Says who? (Other than you.) And aren't you forgetting Chandler Parsons? And Kent Bazemore? And Brandon Knight? And Bismack Biyombo? And (of course) Dieng?

Rastapopoulos · Oct 13, 2018

SlyPokerDog said:
No. We don't want Batum back.

I bet you Dame would be happy.

What he's turned into in Charlotte is a very tall point guard. He leads that team in assists/48. Wouldn't you rather have someone who averaged 8.4 assists/48 playing PG with the bench guys than someone (Turner) who averaged 4.1 assists/48? (Comparison of TO/48 is 3.2 to 2.3.) (And though Batum seems to have been around forever, he's actually 48 days younger than Turner.)

Also I'm actually a bit alarmed about Harkless's lingering injuries. Of course, if they're bad enough, that would nix the trade.

kjironman1 · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:
Also I'm actually a bit alarmed about Harkless's lingering injuries. Of course, if they're bad enough, that would nix the trade.

I'm a little confused by the injury also. First it was called his knee. Then his ankle. Then last night they clearly were talking about him having a sore knee that he didn't fell comfortable playing on. No way that injury in March should still be bothering him.

hoopsjock · Oct 13, 2018

Rastapopoulos said:
They would have to throw in a pick or two. And getting Dieng is not considered a positive, as he's paid $15M and is hardly played by Thibs.

We can't absorb that much salary.

Says who? (Other than you.) And aren't you forgetting Chandler Parsons? And Kent Bazemore? And Brandon Knight? And Bismack Biyombo? And (of course) Dieng?

Parsons - 2 years left on his deal, Batum has 3 years and the last one is over $27 million.
Bazemore - 2 years left on his deal, is actually a somewhat useful player.
Knight - 2 years left on his contract, plus he's been hurt so insurance covers part of it.
Biyombo - 2 years left on his deal.
Dieng - Could still potentially be a decent rotation player at a cheaper rate than Batum.

As for Batum, we've had this debate too many times. The bottom line is he is a terrible shooter, both in Charlotte and with Dame here. He's basically a slightly better ET and that is not a compliment. We need playmakers that can actually shoot the ball.

hoopsjock · Oct 13, 2018

Scalma said:
If we could get Batum for fucking Evan Turner and Harkless, I’d be all over that. Batums efficiency would most likely go back up as his usage would inevitably go down. Batum is exactly what we need. Ballhandler, playmaker, defender who teams can’t sag off of.

His efficiency would most likely go up? His PER, TS%, FTr, TRB% (except this last year), AST%, and TOV% (except his 1st year in Charlotte) were all worse his last year here in Portland. His usage was down to 18.3% last year so it isn't that much different than it would be here. Why do you think teams wouldn't sag off a player that shot 33.6% from 3 last year (41.5% overall) and 32.4% his last year in Portland (40.0% overall)?

kjironman1 · Oct 13, 2018

hoopsjock said:
His efficiency would most likely go up? His PER, TS%, FTr, TRB% (except this last year), AST%, and TOV% (except his 1st year in Charlotte) were all worse his last year here in Portland. His usage was down to 18.3% last year so it isn't that much different than it would be here. Why do you think teams wouldn't sag off a player that shot 33.6% from 3 last year (41.5% overall) and 32.4% his last year in Portland (40.0% overall)?

To be fair. They would be less willing to sag off Batum because he can handle the ball and will take it straight to the hoop if he has the chance. He can also pass very well. He also hits his mid range shots at a pretty good rate. These are exactly the reasons why teams can sag off Aminu. He can't dribble and when he does he loses control. He doesn't pass well and because they sag off him if he does it gets picked. Aminu also cannot hit an open jumper in the lane to save his life.

I put them in different categories but with the same result.

They also both play decent defense. But i give the edge in overall hustle and effectiveness to Aminu. Batum does chase down some blocks but Aminu will work harder every day of the week.

Scalma · Oct 13, 2018

hoopsjock said:
His efficiency would most likely go up? His PER, TS%, FTr, TRB% (except this last year), AST%, and TOV% (except his 1st year in Charlotte) were all worse his last year here in Portland. His usage was down to 18.3% last year so it isn't that much different than it would be here. Why do you think teams wouldn't sag off a player that shot 33.6% from 3 last year (41.5% overall) and 32.4% his last year in Portland (40.0% overall)?

Because most his troubles shooting come off the dribble. His catch and shoot percentage from outside last year was 36%. Compare that with Turner who usually fluctuates between 25-30%.

And I wouldn’t put too much stock into his last season in Portland. He had injuries which affected his shot and his percentages didn’t line up with his previous years with Stotts/the Blazers

Propagandist · Oct 13, 2018

I loved Nic, but the inconsistency really got on my nerves. It was maddening.

jlprk · Oct 13, 2018

Batum is Harkless, but with more ego. Batum pushes his inconsistency down your throat. Harkless hopes you don't notice his.

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