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it will be really tricky.

if we decided to acquire him in FA, we'd have to renounce Hart as well. And we'd tie up all our $ for 3 days while CHA can just wait to match.

If we explore a S&T, Charlotte would have to take on Bledsoe and we'd have to deal with the nonsense that comes with BYC contracts.

I don't think Bridges is very likely unfortunately.
 
illmatic99 said:
it will be really tricky.

if we decided to acquire him in FA, we'd have to renounce Hart as well. And we'd tie up all our $ for 3 days while CHA can just wait to match.

If we explore a S&T, Charlotte would have to take on Bledsoe and we'd have to deal with the nonsense that comes with BYC contracts.

I don't think Bridges is very likely unfortunately.
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Why would we have to renounce Hart. Couldn't we just sign Nurk & Anfernee afterwards. I don't see that as a smart move at all if that ( Renouncing Hart) has to happen. We can't be in the one step forward, 2 back biz.
 
tykendo said:
Why would we have to renounce Hart. Couldn't we just sign Nurk & Anfernee afterwards. I don't see that as a smart move at all if that ( Renouncing Hart) has to happen. We can't be in the one step forward, 2 back biz.
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Dame - 43
Nurk caphold - (18)
Hart - 13
Ant caphold - (12)
#6 pick - 5.4
Nas - 4.2
Winslow - 4.2
Keon - 2.7
Did - 1.9
Greg - 1.6
Watford 1.6

That's ~108 mil. Leaving you about 14 mil capspace. Renouncing Hart's 13 is essential to get somewhat close to the starting number for Bridges, if that.
 
So those capholds are set in concrete? Aren't they technically off the books when the league year starts.
 
tykendo said:
So those capholds are set in concrete? Aren't they technically off the books when the league year starts.
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not sure what you mean by this question, but to retain them and pay them money that would take us over the cap, we would need to retain their capholds.

renouncing the hold (on Ant) would make him unrestricted as well and open up the chance for other teams to nab him without the ability for us to match.
 
illmatic99 said:
not sure what you mean by this question, but to retain them and pay them money that would take us over the cap, we would need to retain their capholds.

renouncing the hold (on Ant) would make him unrestricted as well and open up the chance for other teams to nab him without the ability for us to match.
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Yes, i do believe that is the case. I remember Chad & Travis talking about it earlier. They have to keep the caphold to retain right to match.
 
illmatic99 said:
Dame - 43
Nurk caphold - (18)
Hart - 13
Ant caphold - (12)
#6 pick - 5.4
Nas - 4.2
Winslow - 4.2
Keon - 2.7
Did - 1.9
Greg - 1.6
Watford 1.6

That's ~108 mil. Leaving you about 14 mil capspace. Renouncing Hart's 13 is essential to get somewhat close to the starting number for Bridges, if that.
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Yeah, it's really tricky but if you sign Nurk to a deal that starts at 14M that would give you 4M more. If your math is correct that would be enough for a max deal for Bridges but I don't think you added in the 6.8M in dead cap money for Bledsoe and Nicholson and the two roster cap holds. I honestly would love to get Bridges and I don't think the Hornets would match a max offer but I don't see a pathway to freeing up that much cap space.

Also I think if Cronin is still in charge that we'll do what we have to in order to get Grant and a rookie with a lotto pick. If we end up at 7 I could see the Spurs giving us the 25th pick to move up a couple of spots. Then I could see the Pistons taking the 25th pick and the Bucks 2025 first for Grant. I think Sochan or Dieng will be there... I'd much rather have Sochan but we'll see how that ages because little is known about Dieng and his highlights look pretty nice.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Joe Biden and the Democrats.
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If Joe Cronin was forced to have someone in his front office that he needed in order to make trades but then they consistently sabotaged trades, then this would be accurate.
 
illmatic99 said:
Dame - 43
Nurk caphold - (18)
Hart - 13
Ant caphold - (12)
#6 pick - 5.4
Nas - 4.2
Winslow - 4.2
Keon - 2.7
Did - 1.9
Greg - 1.6
Watford 1.6

That's ~108 mil. Leaving you about 14 mil capspace. Renouncing Hart's 13 is essential to get somewhat close to the starting number for Bridges, if that.
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What about renouncing Bledsoe? I don't know this cap stuff so I'm asking.
 
Idog1976 said:
What about renouncing Bledsoe? I don't know this cap stuff so I'm asking.
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Right now if we don't pick up the options on Bledsoe or Hart then we still have $65,190,392 in guaranteed money against the cap. Then you have Ant's cap hold at $11,816,454. You have our lotto pick's cap hold that will land somewhere in the range of 5-9M. I suggested that we quickly sign Nurk to a contract lower than his 18M cap hold... lets say something that comes in around 14M next season. That would put us at 10 players so another 1.6 in mandatory roster cap holds. We end up with on the low end 99M in cap commitments. That only leaves us 23M to offer Bridges and since we would be using cap space we would lose all of our exceptions... but it will take a max offer or near max offer or 30M+ to make the Hornets not match and they still might.

We don't have a way of getting him unless it was through sign and trade or giving up Ant or Nurk... or Dame. So there's really no way to add him to what most of us see as the current core players that we'll have going into next season.
 
blazerkor said:
Right now if we don't pick up the options on Bledsoe or Hart then we still have $65,190,392 in guaranteed money against the cap. Then you have Ant's cap hold at $11,816,454. You have our lotto pick's cap hold that will land somewhere in the range of 5-9M. I suggested that we quickly sign Nurk to a contract lower than his 18M cap hold... lets say something that comes in around 14M next season. That would put us at 10 players so another 1.6 in mandatory roster cap holds. We end up with on the low end 99M in cap commitments. That only leaves us 23M to offer Bridges and since we would be using cap space we would lose all of our exceptions... but it will take a max offer or near max offer or 30M+ to make the Hornets not match and they still might.

We don't have a way of getting him unless it was through sign and trade or giving up Ant or Nurk... or Dame. So there's really no way to add him to what most of us see as the current core players that we'll have going into next season.
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Thanks for the in the weeds explanation. I hate that stuff lol.
 
have to let Ant and or Nurk go to give Miles a payday. I dont think any team in the league will pay Nurk more than 12 a year given his health issues and lack of altheticism. Teams want Bams and Aytons and Mobleys. I like Nurk a lot but if it means getting really better, then yoy let him walk.

I think you also look hard at sign and trade for Ant if that is possible. His value is the highest on the team behind Dame, easily. I like a Dame Hart starting at 1 and 2. Can the team afford to pay Ant 20 plus a year for no defense?
 
Why would Nurk agree to signing for $14 million when his cap hold is $18 million?
 
Cugel said:
have to let Ant and or Nurk go to give Miles a payday. I dont think any team in the league will pay Nurk more than 12 a year given his health issues and lack of altheticism. Teams want Bams and Aytons and Mobleys. I like Nurk a lot but if it means getting really better, then yoy let him walk.

I think you also look hard at sign and trade for Ant if that is possible. His value is the highest on the team behind Dame, easily. I like a Dame Hart starting at 1 and 2. Can the team afford to pay Ant 20 plus a year for no defense?
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Because of BYC rules, we'd basically have to use our MLE to be able to S&T Ant. Not to mention he'd have to want to go to whatever team we might theoretically S&T him to. It's really hard to find a situation where Ant would be a good fit for the other team, and that other team has assets the Blazers would want in exchange for him. Like, they could probably trade Ant for Grant, but that feels like an even further degradation of our existing assets.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Because nobody's actually going to pay him $18M?
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The pay structure of the NBA has changed in that teams need flexibility, and a lack of big money spent on players that aren't stars. And as much as I like Nurk, and he's still young, he's injury prone, still insecure/immature, and moody, and if another team wants to pay him 18+ million, I hope the Blazers think long and hard about it.

But since his agent is klutch sports, I suspect he'll want the max.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
He probably can get it? 4 year $20 million. Not being argumentative at all but that might be the going price?
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with a 121M salary cap; here are the teams that theoretically have the cap-space to give out a 20M deal:

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

(cap-holds not counted in those numbers)

* Memphis has Steven Adams; and the cap-holds for Tyus Jones and Kyle Anderson wipes out their space
* Chicago has Vucevic and their 21M in space doesn't account for LaVine
* Indiana traded a better version of Nurkic to make room for Turner as starting C. They also want to re-sign Jalen Smith
* Detroit has Stewart, Olyniyk, and Garza at C; and, they have a 28M cap-hold for Bagley that wipes out their space
* Orlando has committed to Wendall Carter Jr. at C; they also have a 22M cap-hold for Bamba and may re-sign Gary Harris (32M cap-hold)
* San Antonio has Poeltl, Zach, and Landale at C; and a 13M cap-hold on Lonnie Walker

there are also going to be other free agent C's, many of whom may be willing to sign for cheap (some did this season):

Serge Ibaka
Tristan Thompson
Montrezl Harrell
Mo Bamba
Chris Boucher
Kevon Looney
JaVale McGee
Robin Lopez
Gorgui Dieng
Dwight Howard
Enes Freedom
LaMarcus Aldridge
Ed Davis
Hassan Whiteside
Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Bol Bol
Frank Kaminsky
Nemanja Bjelica
Drew Eubanks
Isaiah Hartenstein
Moses Brown

between Nurk's skills and his injury history, I don't see any team that would be inclined to give Nurkic much more than 12M let alone 20M. Just about every team with cap-space on that list above already has C's as good as Nurk; and many are more suited to the modern NBA. He may actually be capped around the MLE.
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I'll suggest something else too: I've gone thru the teams with cap-space and my 'hunch' is that the market for Simons at 20M/year may be even more limited than Nurkic at 12M/year. I'm really hoping that Cronin does not pull an Olshey and bid against himself for Ant & Nurk. I started out thinking that they might combine for 40M in first year salary. After looking at the markets for them, I'm thinking there is a chance the Blazers might get them for closer to 30M than 40M

obviously all it would take is one GM to blow my notion out of the water; I'm just hoping that GM isn't Cronin
 
wizenheimer said:
with a 121M salary cap; here are the teams that theoretically have the cap-space to give out a 20M deal:

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

(cap-holds not counted in those numbers)

* Memphis has Steven Adams; and the cap-holds for Tyus Jones and Kyle Anderson wipes out their space
* Chicago has Vucevic and their 21M in space doesn't account for LaVine
* Indiana traded a better version of Nurkic to make room for Turner as starting C. They also want to re-sign Jalen Smith
* Detroit has Stewart, Olyniyk, and Garza at C; and, they have a 28M cap-hold for Bagley that wipes out their space
* Orlando has committed to Wendall Carter Jr. at C; they also have a 22M cap-hold for Bamba and may re-sign Gary Harris (32M cap-hold)
* San Antonio has Poeltl, Zach, and Landale at C; and a 13M cap-hold on Lonnie Walker

there are also going to be other free agent C's, many of whom may be willing to sign for cheap (some did this season):

Serge Ibaka
Tristan Thompson
Montrezl Harrell
Mo Bamba
Chris Boucher
Kevon Looney
JaVale McGee
Robin Lopez
Gorgui Dieng
Dwight Howard
Enes Freedom
LaMarcus Aldridge
Ed Davis
Hassan Whiteside
Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Bol Bol
Frank Kaminsky
Nemanja Bjelica
Drew Eubanks
Isaiah Hartenstein
Moses Brown

between Nurk's skills and his injury history, I don't see any team that would be inclined to give Nurkic much more than 12M let alone 20M. Just about every team with cap-space on that list above already has C's as good as Nurk; and many are more suited to the modern NBA. He may actually be capped around the MLE.
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I'll suggest something else too: I've gone thru the teams with cap-space and my 'hunch' is that the market for Simons at 20M/year may be even more limited than Nurkic at 12M/year. I'm really hoping that Cronin does not pull an Olshey and bid against himself for Ant & Nurk. I started out thinking that they might combine for 40M in first year salary. After looking at the markets for them, I'm thinking there is a chance the Blazers might get them for closer to 30M than 40M

obviously all it would take is one GM to blow my notion out of the water; I'm just hoping that GM isn't Cronin
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The Blazers will find a way to over pay Nurkic.
Bet on it.
 
We'll bid against ourselves and give Nurk a three year deal that starts at 15M. That's my prediction. Ant on the other hand is a whole different story completely. I am pretty sure both guys shut it down because we'd come to terms with them and now that Cronin is in place for the next four years, you can bet those deals already figured out will hold up. I think Nurk getting a 3M dollar raise makes sense for a player friendly deal... I hope we have team options on both of the following years. Ant is probably a four year deal with a player option on the fourth year and I'm betting it starts around 25M and comes in at ~205M total. I hope both guys get much less but we have to remember this is the same front office and since Olshey's departure they haven't shown themselves to be more shrewd but maybe they'll surprise me and sign both guys for a couple million less a year.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
The Blazers will find a way to over pay Nurkic.
Bet on it.
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15M is an overpay. I expect us to bid against ourselves and pay him more than the full MLE which is what I think anyone else would pay him because his last deal was right around that and he did not outplay that contract not while he was on the floor and definitely by only playing 173 out of 310 regular season games and missed over half our playoff games having missed our only successful playoff run during his contract completely. So yeah, we'll overpay Nurk because no one else would give him north of 12M and we'll give him 15M next year and probably more than that the next two seasons but like I just said, I'm just hoping we don't guarantee those years. Who knows though, maybe our front office will manage to pay him like you're suggesting and we can all be furious.
 
blazerkor said:
Ant is probably a four year deal with a player option on the fourth year and I'm betting it starts around 25M and comes in at ~205M total.
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205M?? With 8% annual raises, a 4 year deal starting at 25M would top out at 25 × 4.32, or 108M.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
205M?? With 8% annual raises, a 4 year deal starting at 25M would top out at 25 × 4.32, or 108M.
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Meant 105M but you're right it probably will be 108M. Just a guess though. Maybe we get him for a few million less and maybe we overpay by even more.
 
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