Exclusive All Things Scoot

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  1. STOMP

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    He's obviously very blessed physically, but shooting is more of a skill that some just innately have while others just don't and never will. There are examples of guys learning to shoot while in the league, but there are many more examples where talented and very motivated guys never get it. The floor for Scoot is if it doesn't click & my guess is thats more likely then not. Even so, thats a pretty high floor. He's going to need some time to develop, but I think he and SS would be an incredible pairing in their primes. Unfortunately I don't think he slips past #2

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    Hornets fans absolutely want Scoot. The question is does their FO want him too or Miller? Their fans would loose their shit if they dont draft Scoot it seems like
     
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    I don't see who. The teams who would want Dame don't have young players or draft picks.
     
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  4. Natebishop3

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    Watching the Scoot vs Wemby game.

    Some thoughts:
    • Scoot isn't selfish. He gives up the ball.
    • He moves without the ball.
    • He's nice in the pick and roll. He has some really solid bounce passes in the lane.
    • He has really nice handles.
    • His three point shot is a little flat. He doesn't have nearly the same range as Shaedon.
    • Scoot is always attacking. He will push the tempo.
    • There is no doubt in my mind that he could start and make an impact right away.
    • His defense is...... meh. I think he'll get some steals.
     
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    Thats a no go for me dog.
     
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    What wasn't said is that Scoot has the physical tools to be a good defender. He's strong, he's quick and has a good wingspan.
     
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  7. Natebishop3

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    I think Scoot will be good, but what are these guys seeing that makes them think Scoot is going to be so good?

     
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    Same thing we said about dame lol. Dame is a little slower but he had the tools to be good. I think it’s incredibly hard to be a good defender when you’re carrying the offense especially when you’re always attacking like scoot does. So there need to be a healthy balance somewhere with him
     
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  9. Natebishop3

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    Question from Locked on: what do you say to people who look at Scoot's game and they go "hey you take away all of those powerful highlight dunks and you actually have a flawed offensive player"

    Athletic: If you watched a lot of his tape this year, I understand that take. I think he was very willing to settle in the mid range this season a little bit more than what you'd like to see. I think a lot of those people will often bring up the low free throw rate, and not understand that you take one free throw per opportunity instead of two in the G League. So Scoot this year, I think as an 18 year old for 50% of the season, I think he was top 30 in terms of free throw rate this year in the G League. So I'm not as worried about that as some people seem to be. I think the goal for Scoot this year was to get through this season unscathed in a real way, and he dealt with some injuries through the course of the year. He got drilled in the face and ended up having to wear a mask at times. He had a lower leg injury at some point that had him missing some time. He had some little nicks and things. Not being injury prone or anything like that. He just got bumped and got hit the wrong way and sometimes you end up in a circumstance. The goal of the G League Ignite is not necessarily to win games, and your personal goal is to essentially get through the season unscathed, you probably end up settling more than you would normally.
     
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    Dame's wingspan is 1.25" shorter than Scoot, which makes a difference.

    I also don't see Scoot as being our main scoring option, which should hopefully free up some energy for defense.
     
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    Dame was 189 lbs when drafted at age 22. Scoot is already 196 at age 19 and has a slightly longer wing span. Not sure about the lateral quickness comparison.
    Either way, I do not recall much discussion about Dame's D before we drafted him. I would expect Scoot to be better at defense and rebounding. As for shooting..few are as good as Dame. He was a machine even in college.
     
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    c'mon now...there's only one ball, and it doesn't split and go to both sides at once. So, essentially, he's got a 3/4 inch 'advantage'; and that's when they are standing still and stretching their arms out to maximum. Guys don't do that too often during games...as in never. That's really insignificant

    I have always thought that wingspan was seriously overrated as a defensive tool. That's not to say it wouldn't be helpful every once in a while...maybe a couple of times a game. But what matters for defense is anticipation, reaction, reflex, lateral mobility, and footwork. Some mass is helpful too, at times; and of course BBIQ. I mean, you don't want TRex arms, but comparing fingertip reach straight out from the shoulders is nearly useless...IMO
     
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    I wonder if Vegas has a line of who will be drafted at #2? I expect its Scoot, but would be nice to see actual odds that have real money behind them. Hard to know how much rumors, misdirection, speculation, or uniformed fans opinions we're hearing.
     
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    Ok I actually found this for the second pick, first number is draftkings and second is fanduel;

    https://www.thelines.com/odds/nba-draft/

    Scoot -140 -150
    Brandon Miller +100 -105
    Amen +3000 +4500

    So its Scoot or Miller by a lot - and pretty close between them, with Scoot more likely.
     
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    Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

    Aren't these some red-flags?
    - Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
    - PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
    - 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
    - 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
    - His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
    - Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
    - Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

    I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

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    Scoot is the second-best prospect in this draft by a mile. If Portland trades away from him or chooses not to draft him, the franchise will regret it for at least a decade.

    He's not a perfect player by any means but he was good in the G League as one of the youngest guys in it. It would be idiocy not to draft him if we have the chance.
     
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    Amazing what marketing & hype can do for a young player and superb potential.
     
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    If you believe these stats are important when drafting for the future, then there is nothing anyone can say that will convince you.
     
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    Too bad the Trail Blazers didn't go for marketing & hype and superb potential in 1984.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/17/sports/nba-draft-is-a-peek-into-future.html

    The next two, and possibly three picks, will provide little mystery.
    The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to use the second choice for 7-1 Sam Bowie of Kentucky, and the Chicago Bulls will follow by selecting 6-6 Michael Jordan of North Carolina.
    The pro scouts have tabbed Jordan, the college player of the year, ''a certainty to become a superstar.''
     
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    Why do people keep using basketball reference? The G League has their own stats and they don't line up with the other site. The kid played in 19 games. That's an extremely low sample size. It's also important to note that the Ignite are not a normal G League team. They're a developmental team and they play a lot of exhibitions. The main goal of that team is not to win games.

    It's also strange that you mentioned the combine, because Wemby and Miller didn't participate either.

    Go look at some of this games though. (Their schedule doesn't make sense. Their is a chunk of games from January of 2022 through March of 2022 and then November through December of 2022. He had a couple of really good stretches and then a couple of mediocre stretches in that time.

    Game 1 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

    Game 2 - 26 points off 10/13 shooting, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

    Game 3 - DNP

    Game 4 - 21 points off 8/18 shooting, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

    Game 5 - 21 points off 6/16 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals

    Game 6 - 27 points off 9/16 shooting, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

    So for the first five games he averaged 23 ppg off 53% shooting, 7.2 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals.

    Game 7 - 12 points off 5/15 shooting, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals.

    Game 8 - 9 points off 4/13 shooting, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

    Game 9 - 22 points off 5/14 shooting, 7 assists, 1 rebound, and 0 steals.

    Game 10 - DNP

    Game 11 - DNP

    Game 12 - DNP

    Game 13 - played 7 minutes

    Game 14 - DNP

    Game 15 - DNP

    Game 16 - DNP

    Game 17 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 14 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

    Game 18 - 10 points off 5/14 shooting, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal

    Game 19 - 14 points off 6/11 shooting, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal

    Game 20 - 14 points off 4-12 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

    Game 21 - 15 points off 4/17 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

    Game 22 - 14 points off 4/10 shooting, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 0 steals

    Game 23 - 17 points off 7/19 shooting, 5 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal'

    Game 24 - 15 points off 6/16 shooting, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

    Game 25 - DNP

    Game 26 - DNP

    Game 27 - DNP

    Game 28 - DNP

    Game 29 - DNP

    Game 30 - DNP

    Game 31 - 25 points off 7/16 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

    Game 32 - 25 points off 10/27 shooting, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

    Game 33 - DNP

    Game 34 - 18 points off 8 /19 shooting, 16 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal

    Game 35 - 26 points off 10/16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals

    Game 36 - 27 points off 12/20 shooting, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals

    Game 37 - 9 minutes

    Game 38 - DNP

    Game 39 - DNP

    Game 40 - DNP

    Game 41 - DNP

    Game 42 - DNP

    Game 43 - DNP

    Game 44 - DNP

    Game 45 - DNP

    He played the last two games
    18 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

    12 points off 4/15 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal
     
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