Its all sourced to one bay area GSW guy back when GSW was in heavy talks with the Sixers. I will let others debunk it more deeply. Im not aware of any star level players that fit our needs , that are available other than Simmons. If you are please share.
Well we know Dame wants to stay and win a title here. It goes against his "urgency" message before the Olympics but maybe we'll underwhelm again this season and he'll stick around as we make some moves next off season. The thought of another season of the Dame/CJ back court is just depressing though.
The backcourt is not as depressing to me as having a 6'3 guy as your primary wing defender against the likes of George/Kawhi/Lebron/Luka/etc. Powell struggled with Porter Jr. What's he going to do with more skilled wings? Trading CJ for a DPOY wing/big seems like an obvious move.
what caveats with Paul George? that there was risk? sure there was risk, but risk-adverse is Olshey's M.O. and is a template for mediocrity...and that's where Portland is. If PG13 would re-sign in OKC to play with Westbrook, he could easily have done the same to play with Dame. as for Butler and Kawhi...they were being shopped for sure. Neither trade happened suddenly. So, if "we" heard nothing about CJ being offered for them it could be because he was never offered. I mean, do you think Portland should have been interested in Butler or Kawhi? And Harden said Portland was an acceptable destination. You think he was using Portland for leverage...really? then you must know what package Portland was offering for Harden to use as leverage...care to share? as for Olshey's off-season double-speak being hints he would trade CJ...LOL...c'mon man. On one hand you condescendingly tell me I'm making stuff up in my head from tea leaves I'm reading....then immediately turn around and read your own tea leaves I believe one thing Olshey said and that's that he believes the roster wasn't the problem last season. Every thing he has done since the Denver series dovetails perfectly with somebody determined to prove the roster wasn't the problem
what stuff am I making up? keep in mind I didn't say that Olshey absolutely held CJ untouchable. I said I was convinced he had if any discussions occurred. And if players Like Butler, Kawhi, and Harden are available, shouldn't a Blazer GM explore the price?
We’re all pretty much operating on the same level of pre-season internet blather rumors. We have zero information that Morey is willing to trade Simmons for CJ, but you and a lot of other folks around here are ready to string up Olshey for not getting the deal done. I don’t know who is available any more than you do. If I had my druthers I would prefer moving CJ for a dominant SF. Siakam would be a guy I would love to get, but he’s likely only going to be available if things go badly for the Raptors. We won’t know that until a couple of months into the season.
I have maintained Harden was using us as leverage from the moment that rumor came out-- look through those Harden threads here if you wish. Why would Houston want CJ in the first place? The only teams he truly wanted to go to were BK and Philly. It's not just me reading tea leaves. Every NBA reporter worth a damn said as much. Speculating that Olshey wouldn't trade CJ for Kawhi is about as ridiculous as saying Olshey wouldn't trade CJ for Lebron/KD. We've been tuned in to every rumor/noise in the past few years and there is absolutely nothing to suggest CJ was ever discussed for those guys from either side. Here is what i said that day the Harden stuff came up:
Show me one rumor about a potential CJ for Butler/Kawhi deal and I'll take it back. It's easy to say that stuff happened behind the scenes. I mean... it's all speculation. Why didn't Olshey trade CJ for Lebron?! Let's go egg his house. With Simmons/George we have multiple sources linking us to them at least.
Sorry my over the top Neil hate. Watching too much medieval stuff recently and today the dam of my frustration burst. Also, apologies to anyone I was short with. E_blazer sorry about that. The rumor about CA teams has been annoying me for weeks now as it seems pretty clearly false pot stirring from my POV.
I don't know but I really like it because we can't trade Nance or Powell so that would mean some sort of three team deal with CJ and Nurk which would have to net us Simmons plus more. Give me a starting lineup of Dame, Norm, RoCo, Nance and Simmons with a bench bolstered by whatever else we get back with Simmons. That would be fantastic.
whats the source of that rumor? I actually value those two guys the highest myself so thats an intriguing one. Was it before or after the Nance trade?
I'd have to look back through the thread, but I wanna say it was from the Atlanta Hawks blog guy that @illmatic99 has posted on here?
https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/9/23/17892724/jimmy-butler-trade-rumors-trail-blazers-interested and Jaynes is the local mouthpiece for Olshey I remembered this 'rumor' when I said I was "convinced" Olshey didn't offer CJ for Butler or Kawhi
Think he just said Roco is valued very highly, not that we wouldn't trade him. His rumor was actually that Norm + Roco for Simmons would get done once Norm is able to be traded.
There ya go, I missed this one and take it 100% back. Thanks for the reminder of this-- i clearly missed it. Idiotic decision from Olshey in hidsight, and I feel it would be the same if he balked at CJ for Simmons as well.
