Hey, you finally give Trump some credit. Only 4 months in and he's turned Portland and LA and Seattle into shitholes. Pretty quick work I must say.
People that wanted more would demand more for goods and services. The "admittedly limited" part should be the most admittedly important.
I've always said I could do all the work building a Ferrari if I had access to the facility where they make them. In the future with automatic everything you're probably going to have to make something you want on your own.
Good example would be the MarAzul. You want that boat in the future it may be hard to find anyone to build it for you. Or they may 3d print something close, who knows? I saw a 3d printed house that looks promising.
How do you know that Dviss doesn't have a thing for Casey and a homeless person fetish? Maybe he's just trying to combine the two for the ultimate experience. Maybe the fuck you casey was an offer?
@dviss1 I'm not sure what Casey's point was, whether he was showing disgust for the homeless population around the Moda Center and Portland and sharing his doubt that the problem will get fixed because of the homeless people themselves, or if his ire and disgust are aimed at the problem itself and our local and federal governments Ill aim to fix it. I too have been homeless and it sucks. While there are a lot of people who would prefer not to be there are also a large number who have accepted the life and want to be homeless. I think building more transitional housing for homeless people with better programs to help them get cleaned up, dental work, find jobs, homes and get back on their feet. I know there already some of these in portland, but they can only house a small fraction of the homeless population and the transitions programs are Ill funded. A lot of the population is runaway teens and older seniors who are disabled or have hard time finding work because of their age and so find themselves slipping through the cracks with no safety net to catch them. It's a multifauceted problem that involves getting runaway teens home,( or if their homes aren't safe, somewhere that is) the people that can still work cleaned up and back on their feet with jobs with time to save up so they can eventually get their own place, while getting older folks on retirement, Disability, or put together some other form of funding/pension for those that can't work to get them off the street. Then there is also the drug addiction issue. So, programs need to include helping those addicted get clean. It's a complex issue that needs a well out together solution. I know making homelessness illegal and putting people in jail and shooing them away or sending them away on buses to other cities is not the solution. This issue angers me, I have seen it up close and personal. I have experienced it first hand. I know there is has not been enough done to fix it.
The "admittedly limited" meant that the experiments had limited scope (smaller populations than, say, a populous US state or the US as a whole). As I understand it, the premise for UBI is that everyone would be guaranteed a minimum livable income, nothing more. Anything beyond that that you want, you'd need to earn through some other method. As automation begins to eat away more and more jobs, something like UBI will probably become necessary, IMO.
Where do the police put the homeless during the Rose Festival? Every year the same thing, right before the RF starts and poof! Homeless gone. Trash gone. Homeless camps near downtown gone. Shitty SUVs gone. It's amazing. Also if you check the Multnomah County Animal Shelter's website, pit bulls everywhere! https://multcopets.org/adoptable/dogs
There will have to be price fixing at every level. We'd be better off outlawing automation than giving everyone free fake money. Admittedly limited influences a real economy the same way the Casinos here giving away free cars influences car prices. If everyone got a free car the automall will close or it'll only be there for upgrades, one way or another it will change how the business runs. It's undeniable logic.
Why can't they just designate legal areas, or camps for the homeless? That way they dont have to waste money trying to move them around all the time? You could allow room for the charities, soup kitchens, temp agencies, churches etc. to set up shop close by. Designate a few officers to keep the areas patroled. Alot of homeless help eachother out also, like neighbors. Its not housing but it would keep the homeless safer and be a 'hub' for them to get assistance or resources. I think alot of people would be willing to go to these areas to help people out. People could drop of food and other necessities there instead of trying to seek out individuals, or making them bounce around the city for assitance in different areas. Seems pretty logical. If you build it they will come.
It's free real money. But I think you're reversing cause and effect--business is going to change over time regardless, something like UBI allows society to change with it, without making 70% or more of the population homeless. Outlawing automation and other innovation would be far, far worse. Those things grow the economy, which allows for things like UBI without deleterious effects. Enforcing stagnation would lead to a poorer economy all around (for the rich and the poor) than simply guaranteeing everyone a livable income and allowing innovation to flourish, even if that innovation completely changes how the economy works. You should read the article I linked, if you haven't already. It's pretty interesting. UBI is also not a conservative/liberal split issue--plenty of conservatives (and libertarians) endorse UBI because they don't want to see government forced to limit technology artificially in order to save jobs.
I know multiple people like this... It's like modern day train traveling hobos. Except they want to set up camp in major cities, while the citizens pay for it.
They're going to have to limit it to save jobs. I'm not saying some sort of communism isn't going to become reality. I'm saying to keep this country as it is people are going to have to work. I'm mostly not worried unless people do like my wife likes to do. I wanted toast one morning and couldn't find the toaster underneath the stove as usual. I asked my wife where it was. "I threw it away because it was dirty" I asked her where the new one was, "Haven't bought one yet" THEN DON'T THROW IT AWAY
