Rumor Damian Lillard Would Like Blazers To Acquire Deandre Ayton

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Would You Do It and Would The Sun?

  1. I would want us to do this

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  2. I wouldn't want us to do this

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  3. The Suns would do this

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  4. The Suns would not do this

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  1. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    https://sports.yahoo.com/suns-engage-sign-trade-talks-184907843.html

    With this report we can look at another trade idea I had.
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    This would allow the Suns to keep Crowder and we get to use the Detroit 2025 SRP. It could be preceded by something like this. We would have to trade something like the Detroit 2025 SRP and possibly the NOLA 2026 SRP to Chicago to take the conditions off of the pick we owe them.
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    I think we'd have to get a backup PG and C with the 36th pick and our TPMLE. Maybe Gary Payton III with the most of the TPMLE and Orlando Robinson with the 36th pick and the rest of the MLE so we can sign him to a three year rookie min deal.

    Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins, Ayton, Payton, Nas, Justise and Robinson seems like a pretty fucking great rotation... not necessarily a contender next season but pretty close. I definitely don't think that we'd be struggling to make it into the playoffs and would likely have HCA in the first round.
     

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    Ayton is better. He shoots better from the field. He turns it over less. He’s 3 years younger. He scores and rebounds more. He’s a better FT shooter. Not sure how it’s the exact same.
     
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    you usually need a young player to make a big jump or a couple to make significant jumps. Say Simons takes another big jump and Little takes sizable jump along with adding a border all star forward or Ayton. As long as Dame is healthy we would have starters and nice bench to be top 4 team. A LOT has to happen but for first time in years I feel like we have potential for something big
     
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    His potential is off the charts, think all he needs is to mature. I would be ecstatic to get him.
     
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    I wish you were our GM. In your last paragraph, you mean OG not Grant, right?

    Dame/Ant/OG/Collins/Ayton with Nas, Justise is a tight 7 man rotation for playoff success. I think that's as strong a team as Boston.
     
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    At least one of them? That ain't gonna work. They need to both be good on-ball defenders which won't be too hard. We already have one in Winslow.
     
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    Winslow isn't good enough offensively to hold his weight. You're arguing semantics with "at least one" vs. "two".
     
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    He plays with Chris Paul and is assisted on 80% of his shots. His finishing numbers aren't impressive given how high quality his looks are.
     
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    And I couldn't disagree with that argument. Too bad neither Collins or Grant are good on-ball defenders.
     
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    Raptors easily say no, Hawks might as well. The double sign-and-trade is a pipedream and a half and in the end, we still have as many good point-of-attack defenders as we started with.
     
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    Ok well he scored more without CP than with him, as a rookie and second year player. He shot 59% and 55%. And maybe he’s gotten better as he’s gotten older.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Upgrade over where we are right now? Yes. Upgrade over where we'd have been if we didn't make the trades we did? I don't see it.

    Ayton is better than Nurkic, but not THAT much better... and I don't think centers are that big of a deal in the modern NBA unless they are perimeter offensive threats and/or very very good defensively.

    Crowder and Anunoby aren't better than RoCo and CJ and a first rounder.

    All of the other guys (Winslow, Ingles, Keon, et al) are not relevant in my mind since I just don't think they are very good.

    So, yeah. Even if those deals are made, I think Cronin would be a bad GM. Less bad? Maybe. But still bad as we'd be mired in mediocrity, locked into at least one big deal in Ayton, and down one first rounder that would be helpful down the road.
     
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    If PJ Tucker can hold his weight on a championship Bucks team, then Winslow can do just fine.
     
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    PJ Tucker is a much better shooter than Winslow and he's also a better defender.
     
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    If you were advising, which are the good POA defending forward(s) that you would have Cronin target this off-season, either vis the draft or trade? I know you've mentioned Daniels as the best defender available; I assume you'd have the Blazers keep 7 and draft him there? Who else would you be looking to acquire?
     
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    Yeah he's better. Nurk is soft. Ayton plays better defense and is more mobile. He also doesn't hesitate to throw it down when he is around the hoop.
    Saying that he isn't THAT much better seems to be splitting hairs. He's definitely better.

    Crowder vs RoCo? Crowder is better hands down. Don't start posting stats. We all watched RoCo here. We know what he brings.

    Anunoby is a 6-7 small forward this teams needs badly. The Blazers have Simons who can make up anything CJ brought.
    How you could honestly say this isn't an upgrade is head scratching at best?

    Joe Ingles? Yes he's coming off injury. Might end up nothing? This guy if he gets healthy and plays here will make an impact. Mark my words on that. He's a winner.
    Nassir Little? This guy if healthy (yes big if) can make a huge difference. But it's also why they need a guy like Anunoby.
    Winslow is a rotational player in this league and he will be 9th off the bench.
    Keon? Again bench role player.

    You seemed to leave off Watford, Eubanks and Brown who all got a bunch of PT last year. Fact is the Blazers might be a deep team that can handle mid season bumps and bruises and give their players some rest when needed.

    Then you have ELLEBY! Not sure if Blevins will be back?
     
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    this should be interesting

    "on-ball" defenders is the new catch-phrase used to dismiss a lot of ideas, it seems. None of Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Zach, Davis were great on-ball defenders (whatever that really means). They were average-to-solid, most of the time (and some of the time not), and that's about it. Yet, that team, with Dame & CJ starting, finished 8th in the NBA in defense running a Stotts defensive scheme

    Blazers didn't have a 3rd guard like Hart, and they didn't have Billups as coach. I'd much rather have average-to-solid defenders in a logical defensive scheme who bring good offense, than solid-to-good defenders who bring below average offense
     
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    it's a major upgrade in flexibility and room for upside to simply not have the 160M in contracts of CJ-Powell-Nance hanging around the team's neck. Add RoCo and the four of them were hogging half of the payroll while flat-lining Portland's trajectory

    how good were they? Well, in the worst season of Dame's career, while playing injured, those 4 guys had the opportunity to pick up the slack and show they were worthy. They did a great job didn't they because at the trade deadline they had led the Blazers to a record of 13 games under .500. One bad season from Dame and the stupid bloated roster that idiot Olshey had built just collapsed. Pretty much proving that it was Dame, not Stotts, not Olshey, that was responsible for the 8 straight years of playoffs. But of course I think most people knew that

    yeah, Cronin can fuck it all up and I'm certainly not sold on him at all. But I think it's clear he had a mandate from Seattle to dismantle olshey's dumbass dream while dumping lots of current and future salary and he did that. Whether or not he can flip the page and build something is unknown at this point.

    but to think that if the Blazers would have stuck with that failed status-quo roster from January, and status quo GM, they'd be in a better place right now is crazy.
     
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    It’s kind of like “Scheme”.
    Last year that was the catch phrase.
     

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