Notice Do. Not. Trade. Shaedon

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  1. blazerkor

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    That's what he'll have to do. He might also use the Knicks pick in a package and just guarantee the Bulls our pick next season by sending them a second or something. Regardless if we kept our first rounder he would have 4 firsts to deal and if we don't he has 5 firsts to deal.
     
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    But his point is that Cronin/Jody have made it harder to get that "Big 3" because of their cheapness. Did you know if the Nets called the Blazers last summer and said "KD is a bitch and we're sick of him so we're going to give him to you and all you have to do is give us matching salary" the Blazers literally couldn't do it unless Dame was the player going back. Extreme example for sure, but how does that translate into they're trying to get their Big 3 to you? Wouldn't what @WesleyMatthews has suggested have made it easier to do so if the right opportunity comes along? That's the whole point about trading for and keeping contracts on the books. Bledsoe wouldn't have helped us win anymore games.
     
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    If we’re going to play imaginary trades that would make the Blazers contenders I’ll take Nurk, TPE’s, and ending contracts for Giannis.

    Everything points to Cronin locking in on using picks and current contracts to try to make a big deal this summer. You may not like that strategy. I’ve acknowledged in other posts that he may well whiff this summer, but he deserves a shot to see if he can make it happen. A bunch of role players to use in hypothetical trades just means that the Blazers finish higher this year, lose in the first round, and have lower value first round picks that don’t bring as much back in trades this summer.
     
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    It's kind of a bummer to watch the Blazers get their ass kicked right now. All the cool kids are propsing imaginary trades and shaking the magic 8 ball.
     
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    And I'm sorry you can't use the Gift Horse Lakers as an example. There isn't a franchise in history that gets bailed out more.
     
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    TPE's can't be combined with each other, contracts, or anything. That's why we've been saying to get expirings to trade this summer.

    I provided an example of how even if they had the perfect trade to make a big 3 they couldn't even legally do it last summer, your response was to post an invalid trade. That's proving the point as to how hard Cronin has made his job this summer.
     
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    The hate is strong with this one…..
     
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    My post was supposed to be funny. Guess it missed the mark.

    Cronin is betting that a combination of a young guy like Simons coupled with a bunch of future firsts and filler salaries will be enough to get a guy like Siakam. I guess we’ll find out if he’s right.
     
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    The Blazers pocketed cash instead of adding talent or assets to the team, with zero benefit except pocketing cash. Maybe you find nothing wrong with that, I just find it very disappointing that we went from Paul Allen setting records spending $100 million in 1999 to now being one of the thriftiest franchises in the league that places cost savings above winning.
     
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    Freeing firsts is easy. Blazers could've done that last summer too.

    The problem now is the Blazers have to send out their starting level players along with other assets to bring in this all-star. The Blazers don't have enough salary, rotational level talent, or picks to get this all done. Would flipping Bledsoe and a pick for Randle have put the Blazers in a position to contend? Would going into the tax to resign Hart have done it? Likely not, but they would've been closer. Instead they prioritized cost cutting moves that have put them in a worse position to pivot and build a contender going forward.
     
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    What evidence exactly points to Cronin doing this? Lack of action at other times and your hope it will suddenly happen in the future?

    Cronin whiffed at his first trade deadline, and he whiffed last offseason. Drafting Sharpe was a great gamble no matter how it plays out, but thats literally the only potential good long term move this franchise has made since Olshey left.

    I'm all for moving on from Olshey, but I've seen no indication his right hand man for a decade is all the sudden going to unlock some new era of Blazers moves to build a contender.
     
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    Who knows maybe it will. But that doesn't mean all the stupid cost cutting move the Blazers have done going back to the Olshey firing were smart.

    If the Blazers get Siakam for Ant and picks; that was not enabled by cost cutting. The Blazers could've done that but also been closer to contending if they'd maximized assets at prior opportunities.
     
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    You’re not happy with what Cronin’s done so far. I’m not happy with it either. I’m not happy that the Blazers are missing another playoff out of Dame’s remaining years. I’m not happy we’re having to watch another end of season tank job. I doubt that Joe is happy with where the team sits right now. I THINK I know what his general plan is to get competitive. I think it MAY work, but it also could fall flat or not be a big enough move to really change things.

    I don’t waste time worrying about what I THINK Joe could have done differently. Nothing anyone can do about that now. I’m content, for now, watching Joe try to execute his plan. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, I won’t be surprised to see Dame push his way out of town. I will be among those calling for Joe’s head on a platter and yelling for new ownership. It won’t make a hill of beans difference, but status quo is not acceptable and Olshey-esque mediocrity shouldn’t be tolerated.
     
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    What in the world should Cronin have done differently? Kept the gang together for more Olshey purgatory? He is adding assets for a trade
     
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    This is always kind of an absurd question to ask because none of us have a fucking clue what Cronin knew was available and what he didn't pursue. We just don't know but I think most of us are in the same boat as Dame when he said he is sick of seeing other teams making big moves to get closer to contention while we pile up assets that don't help us win right now. Joe is on the clock with Dame and Joe will either make Dame happier or take the cowards way out and optimize kicking the can down the road by trading Dame for young players and picks, while using our picks and just do a youth rebuild.
     
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    He could have gotten more lucky in last year’s draft and had the Pelicans play crappier so he would have gotten their pick.
     
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    question is would he have still made the Grant trade using that first. Because the Milwaukee pick was compensation for the Pels pick not conveying. If the Blazer had received the Pels pick, they weren't getting the Milwaukee pick

    so the Blazers would have had the 7th and 11th picks last draft. Would they have drafted somebody like Duren and kept him? Or would they have sent a lottery pick for Grant? And if they had, would Detroit have given Portland something else?
     
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    it doesn't really matter how many times you claim Cronin whiffed last year at the trade deadline. A lot of us don't agree...at all, and never will. You don't have any real clue what was available for what he traded, other than what he got

    I think he did what was absolutely necessary and that's complete the more painful parts of dismantling the olshey roster. I also think it's pretty obvious he was operating under limitations imposed by the Vulcans

    I agree he didn't have a good off-season. He made a point to talk about how the Blazers needed more length, and then went out and hard-capped the team for a 6'2 player heading into off-season surgery. That was fucking stupid. And, if you take a more detailed look at the cap-space market last summer, I think it's a legitimate argument he overpaid for Ant and Nurk. No team was going to offer either player close to what Cronin paid
     
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    How about trades like Ainge did in Utah if Cronin wants to rebuild. Or trades like the Lakers did at the deadline if he wants to win with Dame.

    Instead he trades for vets, then trades vets for picks, get hard caps, cuts salary, adds 6'3" backup forwards, overpays MLE talent 70million against no bidders. Overpays for some players then pinches pennies for others. He should've picked one plan from the get go and worked to execute it, not change the plan every few months.

    Cronin has been a worse version of Olshey, with all his faults, most the same strengths except lacking the 2nd round pick track record. Makes sense since he was Neils lead assistant GM. Hell for all we know Cronin's been running every Blazers GM decision since Neil first arrived but just didn't do the PR conferences until last season. I guess we can be glad Cronin doesn't complain about valet parking.

    Neil had what 1 year in the lottery in a decade? Cronin will have 2 in 15 months, with less young talent and worse veterans.
     
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    this is one of the most nonsensical posts we've had in here in a long time.
     
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