Good Helfrich read

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http://grantland.com/features/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-chip-kelly/

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[Natebishop3]

He sucks.

 

[RoyToy]

Good for him

Now he can leave

 

[RoyToy]

“Coach Kelly’s an on-the-field guy,” Thomas says. “Coach Helfrich is a book kind of guy. We could ask him about any position, anything about it. Coach Kelly would call the plays in the game, but Coach Helfrich would make up all the play sheets in practice.”

Says it all imo

Sounds like a coordinator to me. No balls like Big Balls Chip.

 

[MickZagger]

Helfrich just doesn't belong on this stage. A Heisman quarterback is going to waste.

 

[1honestfan]

Helfrich just doesn't belong on this stage. A Heisman quarterback is going to waste.

100% agree. I would also like to add Scott Frost to that mix as well. With all the jobs that he's interviewed for, there's a reason as to why he's still here and it's because no-one else will take him.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Helfrich just doesn't belong on this stage. A Heisman quarterback is going to waste.

We shouldve hired someone known and respected. Helfrich is a good guy but he needed to go head coach a sun belt team or something before getting a shot at a top 10 program.

 

[1honestfan]

We shouldve hired someone known and respected. Helfrich is a good guy but he needed to go head coach a sun belt team or something before getting a shot at a top 10 program.

I think it's a great topic to bring up.

I have to go back a couple of years when Kelly left and sanctions were looming in the air to the point of uncertainty. I wonder if Helfrich was given the job with the University believing it was going to face harder sanctions then what they received and he provided a feel good story to get the fan base through the sanctions? If you think about it for a second; Oregon had to get a head coach and it was before the sanctions came down. Why would you go out and spend a lot of money on a coach when you are facing NCAA sanctions that reduces revenue?

 

[tlongII]

We shouldve hired someone known and respected. Helfrich is a good guy but he needed to go head coach a sun belt team or something before getting a shot at a top 10 program.

As a Beav I was very pleased with the hires of Helfrich and Pellum. Helfrich is an OC, not a head coach. Pellum is a position coach, not a coordinator.

 

[1honestfan]

As a Beav I was very pleased with the hires of Helfrich and Pellum. Helfrich is an OC, not a head coach. Pellum is a position coach, not a coordinator.

HA HA HA

I see what you're doing there.

 

[Natebishop3]

As a Beav I was very pleased with the hires of Helfrich and Pellum. Helfrich is an OC, not a head coach. Pellum is a position coach, not a coordinator.

It's an attempt to keep the status quo, but they aren't leaders.


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[1honestfan]

It's an attempt to keep the status quo, but they aren't leaders.

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You should listen to Lisa Horn's take on last nights game and the coaching staff. I thought it was a great argument. She compared Scott Frost to Lane Kiffen.

 

[Quack U!]

Helfrich was calling the plays on offense under the Kelly reign so he can dial up offense and he can coach, further he's a scary judge of talent "found Marcus and Mahalak". Our main problem is we have no O line and they're being taken advantage of out there and so is Marcus. Trust me, if we had Fisher and Johnstone out there Marcus would have another second in the pocket and that's all he needs. Further the gaps for Royce would be much bigger for him to get through and do damage. We'll get Fisher back next week and Johnstone will hub the O line next year.

As for defense, get rid of Aiken who's a crappy line coach and RECRUITER and if this D stays this painful all year, phone up Orgeron to take over the D next year. For those of you who say they've seen this D work well before so why change it? At what level has it been so successful? We don't have a national championship and that's the level we are striving year in and out now. With a new playoff structure and more games our D will have to be even better going forward. How well do you think our D would handle Bama last night or Georgia for that matter with their two amazing backs playing behind basically pro O lines? You want to be a big dog team you need a big dog D and 90th or worse nationally wont cut it. It's starts with recruiting the right type of D line players and we are miserable at that. Our coaches are not connecting with top D line talent, that simple! It's the D philosophy that needs to change to get to the level where our school is taken seriously in the same breath with Bama, OSU, LSU and the like!

 

[MickZagger]

As for defense, get rid of Aiken who's a crappy line coach and RECRUITER and if this D stays this painful all year, phone up Orgeron to take over the D next year. For those of you who say they've seen this D work well before so why change it? At what level has it been so successful? We don't have a national championship and that's the level we are striving year in and out now. With a new playoff structure and more games our D will have to be even better going forward. How well do you think our D would handle Bama last night or Georgia for that matter with their two amazing backs playing behind basically pro O lines? You want to be a big dog team you need a big dog D and 90th or worse nationally wont cut it. It's starts with recruiting the right type of D line players and we are miserable at that. Our coaches are not connecting with top D line talent, that simple! It's the D philosophy that needs to change to get to the level where our school is taken seriously in the same breath with Bama, OSU, LSU and the like!

Buckner and Armstead aren't top D line talent?

 

[Natebishop3]

Buckner and Armstead aren't top D line talent?

Armstead is a top talent, but he sure doesn't play like it.

 

[STOMP]

Buckner and Armstead aren't top D line talent?

it's funny how he wants it both ways and how regardless of the question or results the answer is always the same. On one hand he'll say the above stuff about how bad the DLine is the next he'll tell us how the 2 you mentioned are about to declare early for the draft because they're so good. Like Super Bowl champs in the past they give a variety of looks shifting between 3 and 4 down lineman, often zone blitzing more as the game goes along, yet somehow everything will be all better if they were to commit to his preferred 4-3 look. Nevermind that the Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers, Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles, Tennessee Titans and Houston Texans all currently regularly feature a 3-4 look, he says it's never been successful. I've seen them bring the house blitzing vs WSU, only to see Halliday flip it out quick for their 1st TD, but somehow we're told they don't blitz. I've seen Buckner aggressively slicing around his man only to have UA's Solomon go through the vacated space for crucial 1st downs, yet somehow we're told they never allow DLineman aggressively pursuit the QB. Him calling for widespread coaching and philosophical changes is a broken record I've come to expect regardless of whats happening on the field

Coach Aiken now joins Chip & Aliotti in having their heads called for by him. Somehow after 17 years in college and 6 years in the NFL, RA can't coach or recruit DLineman. Who cares that he developed All Pros in the League, or that he sent 3 Duck DLineman to the NFL last season or that they've a completely unprecedented for UO three 5* kids (Cowart, Sweat, Green & maybe Beckner too) scheduled for OVs & multiple 4* kids too... he can't recruit or coach whatever

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[Quack U!]

Stomp,

At some point in your regurgitated life I hope you'll know that there is truly a difference between a DT and a DE! Buckner and Armstead are DE's, we need DT's. Oregon has been lousy at recruiting true DT's.


So let's go over this one more time. A DT is one like Vanderchicken or Payne, NGATA, SUH and such. 6'2 to 6'5 range and 300 +. These type of players can get under pad level and create penetration not have their great height negated as often is the case with Armstead who should really be on the O line protecting Marcus this year!

That said, Oregon has not recruited more than 3 DT's Balducci being one in over 4 years. That's a problem. You run a 3-4 if you can get massive penetration from those three, and your LB's are evil and efficient to hit those holes the three nasty create! Neither is the case for Oregon right now. This is fact, 90th or worse D depending on the info you take as accurate.

We either have the wrong players and the right D as you'd like to suggest or our D concept isn't tailored to the strengths of our players, which do you think it is?

Please keep in mind we just let a redshirt freshman QB and a true freshman rb run our defense into the ground. What do you think Stanford going to do with that jumbo package they run? How about Bama or Auburn or Oklahoma for that matter?

Keep talking mouth!

 

[MickZagger]

it's funny how he wants it both ways and how regardless of the question or results the answer is always the same. On one hand he'll say the above stuff about how bad the DLine is the next he'll tell us how the 2 you mentioned are about to declare early for the draft because they're so good. Like Super Bowl champs in the past they give a variety of looks shifting between 3 and 4 down lineman, often zone blitzing more as the game goes along, yet somehow everything will be all better if they were to commit to his preferred 4-3 look. Nevermind that the Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers, Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles, Tennessee Titans and Houston Texans all currently regularly feature a 3-4 look, he says it's never been successful. I've seen them bring the house blitzing vs WSU, only to see Halliday flip it out quick for their 1st TD, but somehow we're told they don't blitz. I've seen Buckner aggressively slicing around his man only to have UA's Solomon go through the vacated space for crucial 1st downs, yet somehow we're told they never allow DLineman aggressively pursuit the QB. Him calling for widespread coaching and philosophical changes is a broken record I've come to expect regardless of whats happening on the field

Coach Aiken now joins Chip & Aliotti in having their heads called for by him. Somehow after 17 years in college and 6 years in the NFL, RA can't coach or recruit DLineman. Who cares that he developed All Pros in the League, or that he sent 3 Duck DLineman to the NFL last season or that they've a completely unprecedented for UO three 5* kids (Cowart, Sweat, Green & maybe Beckner too) scheduled for OVs & multiple 4* kids too... he can't recruit or coach whatever

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Over the past few years the NFL has become more of a passing league. The 3-4 makes much more sense. Lets hope we can snag one of those 5 stars, or two.

Our D-Line has always been a concern of mine. We have a great O-Line (and have for years) when healthy.

 

[Quack U!]

Well in the Pac-12 the teams that have beaten us years in a row, are beating us silly between the tackles. Stanford and Arizona are attacking our up the middle which is the one big weakness of the 3-4, further we've been gouged repeatedly this season on the 15 yard and under pass which the 3-4 is supposed to take away. This is the wrong D for our team, or those who are running it don't understand how it works. Either way 90th or worse stats don't lie. There's not much to debate here, we're just plain bad! I'll tell ya something else we should be looking into Miss St. D coordinator, those kids are well coached!

As for our O line I agree with you MickZagger, our O line coach is great and unfortunately this year we've hit a perfect storm of injuries early. We'll get some guys back this week and our offense will starting cracking again. Can't wait to see Royce and Marcus with some proper protection!

That said many teams will go down today and the top 10 will look very different next week.

 

[oldmangrouch]

We all have our little biases.

When talking NBA/NFL my first instinct is to call out the players when things go wrong. In college ball, I instead tend to point at the coaches.

Maybe in this instance I (and others) are being too hard on the coaching staff. Maybe we all need to take a step back.

The question now is "how far is down?" Two more losses? More?

 

[Natebishop3]

We all have our little biases.

When talking NBA/NFL my first instinct is to call out the players when things go wrong. In college ball, I instead tend to point at the coaches.

Maybe in this instance I (and others) are being too hard on the coaching staff. Maybe we all need to take a step back.

The question now is "how far is down?" Two more losses? More?

My problem with Helfrich started last season. It seemed like the players had no fear of him. The comments that Huff and DAT made after the loss toe Stanford made me feel like they just really didn't care anymore if they couldn't play for the natty, and they weren't afraid of Helf doing anything to them for making those comments publicly.

I think he's a really nice guy. I think everyone likes him a lot, but I don't care if everyone likes him. Chip Kelly is a dick. Nick Saban is a dick. I don't think Helf has the gravitas to be the head coach of an elite football program.

 

[RoyToy]

Chip was just cutting edge in a lot of areas.

From the uptempo offense, to the way the team practiced, nutrition, recovery etc etc. He read up on this stuff and applied it.

Not sure what Helfrich is doing, but I don't get the vibe from him that he's out there looking for every little edge. I just don't see it. It's certainly not showing.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

My problem with Helfrich started last season. It seemed like the players had no fear of him. The comments that Huff and DAT made after the loss toe Stanford made me feel like they just really didn't care anymore if they couldn't play for the natty, and they weren't afraid of Helf doing anything to them for making those comments publicly.

I think he's a really nice guy. I think everyone likes him a lot, but I don't care if everyone likes him. Chip Kelly is a dick. Nick Saban is a dick. I don't think Helf has the gravitas to be the head coach of an elite football program.

You kinda described Helfrich as Mike Riley. Great guy/Decent coach... Mid-level program dude who will win some big games but lose some guys you shouldn't have.

 

[Natebishop3]

You kinda described Helfrich as Mike Riley. Great guy/Decent coach... Mid-level program dude who will win some big games but lose some guys you shouldn't have.

Simply not the right guy for a program that was on the cusp of winning a championship. I am fairly certain we would have won one if Chip had stayed.

 

[Quack U!]

When the O line is healthy our offense flows and has under Helfrich, the issue is the apathetic defense that can't stop a mosquito in a closed room full of fly paper. Time to get real and get rid of the source of our true frustration, the laid back 3-4 prevent D. This is the laziest defense I've ever seen. When you watch Mississippi St. play or Michigan St, or Stanford for that matter they get after the QB. I actually watched Stanford with a 3 man rush sack the QB because the DT's were allowed to be aggressive. What the hell we coach seems like we're playing two hand touch out there.

Pellum has actually built on all the things Aliotti did wrong and forgot to bring the well timed blitz packages that Nick at least did right. What Pellum is doing in practice is beyond me. Our team is arm tackling in open space and laying up on the line and our secondary is playing so soft you'd wonder if they've figured out yet how many 15 yard pass plays they can give up before the other team scores. What has Pellum done differently this year from Aliotti but be worse than him? Pellum has been around to long to be this below average when given the keys to this team to drive defensively.

There were enough strong defensive teams on yesterday to clearly show what we are not doing. No more excuses! You can always find apathetic people who'll say why it wont work or why is should stay the same and on and on. If your a top 15 team with a 90th or worse D, you need to get a reality check in a hurry! Our D needs to be revamped! Let's move on and get going. Bend don't Break is for losers and those happy with the 4th place trophy yearly.

How hard is it to bring another guy into the box and tell the D line to play like a bats out of hell going after the QB? We have an all American DB and a well coached secondary. Let them be special for once. They're not LB's, they're out their to pick balls off and shut down the passing lanes not make tackles on RB's that have been allowed to break free time after time because or first two lines of defense are sleeping out there. What's the purpose of having AA and Buckner as bookends if they aren't allowed to go after the QB every play? Our defense doesn't have an IDENTITY because it's PREVENT!

It's all you can really say!

 

[MickZagger]

When the O line is healthy our offense flows and has under Helfrich, the issue is the apathetic defense that can't stop a mosquito in a closed room full of fly paper. Time to get real and get rid of the source of our true frustration, the laid back 3-4 prevent D. This is the laziest defense I've ever seen. When you watch Mississippi St. play or Michigan St, or Stanford for that matter they get after the QB. I actually watched Stanford with a 3 man rush sack the QB because the DT's were allowed to be aggressive. What the hell we coach seems like we're playing two hand touch out there.

Pellum has actually built on all the things Aliotti did wrong and forgot to bring the well timed blitz packages that Nick at least did right. What Pellum is doing in practice is beyond me. Our team is arm tackling in open space and laying up on the line and our secondary is playing so soft you'd wonder if they've figured out yet how many 15 yard pass plays they can give up before the other team scores. What has Pellum done differently this year from Aliotti but be worse than him? Pellum has been around to long to be this below average when given the keys to this team to drive defensively.

There were enough strong defensive teams on yesterday to clearly show what we are not doing. No more excuses! You can always find apathetic people who'll say why it wont work or why is should stay the same and on and on. If your a top 15 team with a 90th or worse D, you need to get a reality check in a hurry! Our D needs to be revamped! Let's move on and get going. Bend don't Break is for losers and those happy with the 4th place trophy yearly.

How hard is it to bring another guy into the box and tell the D line to play like a bats out of hell going after the QB? We have an all American DB and a well coached secondary. Let them be special for once. They're not LB's, they're out their to pick balls off and shut down the passing lanes not make tackles on RB's that have been allowed to break free time after time because or first two lines of defense are sleeping out there. What's the purpose of having AA and Buckner as bookends if they aren't allowed to go after the QB every play? Our defense doesn't have an IDENTITY because it's PREVENT!

It's all you can really say!

Pellum won't last long here.

Who do you think we should go after? What D coordinators are out there? What about a guy like Ed Orgeron. At the least he would be great for recruiting the D-Line.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Pellum won't last long here.

Who do you think we should go after? What D coordinators are out there? What about a guy like Ed Orgeron. At the least he would be great for recruiting the D-Line.

Will muschamp. Perfect defensive coordinator for us.

 

[Quack U!]

I'm liking the Miss St. D coordinator Geoff Collins. Anyone see his defense? They are damn good and crushed Texas A&M! Solid top to bottom just like Michigan St's.

After that Orgeron who I think we'll need to pay big bucks to get, but he can recruit like a beast on both coasts and kids love him!

 

[STOMP]

Stomp,

At some point in your regurgitated life I hope you'll know that there is truly a difference between a DT and a DE! Buckner and Armstead are DE's, we need DT's. Oregon has been lousy at recruiting true DT's.

good grief, my regurgitated life... grow up or at least aspire to learn a new insult. The only thing funny about how often you use that in rebuttals to me is that I used it in your GP days to describe your Bleacher's relays here. You're regurgitating regurgitating Anyhoo, others who've referred to Armstead and Buckner as DTs include various NFL draft profiles, various college websites, Nick Aliotti, Don Pellum & Ron Aiken... but of course you'll tell us you know better then the guys who's D it is right? The O, ESPN & the Ducks official website lists them not as neither DTs or DEs but DL probably because since they're shuffled around in the various defenses Oregon runs, they don't truly fit a single pigeonholed positional description.

But just to be clear, a DE is called that because he lines up at the position at the End of the DLine. Since Oregon alternates between a 3-4 & a 4-3 and often sends not the Drop End but the opposite Outside LB, both players often are playing as interior Lineman, or DTs, even when they don't switch where they are lining up. Oregon definitely continues to like long tall versitile athletes at those spots as they just landed another last night in Gus Cumberlander. He won't be playing the Tony Washington/Dion role of Drop End. He'll be another DT/DE/DL in the mold of Arik & DeForest.

So let's go over this one more time. A DT is one like Vanderchicken or Payne, NGATA, SUH and such. 6'2 to 6'5 range and 300 +. These type of players can get under pad level and create penetration not have their great height negated as often is the case with Armstead who should really be on the O line protecting Marcus this year!

remember back just two seasons ago when you were just as obnoxiously insisting that all of Oregon's DLineman had to be at least 6'6 or have you completely scrubbed it from the memory banks? Then 6'3 Eddie Blue Eye's stole your heart and your BFF fantasies went wild. Following that faceplant you changed your name and tune but not the know it all tone. Your words carry as much weight now as then

That said, Oregon has not recruited more than 3 DT's Balducci being one in over 4 years. That's a problem.

The reason I haven't been spending nights with Jessica Alba isn't because of a lack of interest on my part. Despite your claims otherwise, Oregon has recruited dozens of DTs in the mold you described in that timeframe, but those guys for the most part have decided to go elsewhere... usually deciding to stay close to home. I know they're looking to add at least one NT type in this cycle with Rex Manu being an obvious likely candidate.

We either have the wrong players and the right D as you'd like to suggest or our D concept isn't tailored to the strengths of our players, which do you think it is?

With a healthy Armstead, I like the DLine play this year but I think the LB play has been atrocious. This is only the 10,000th time I've relayed that opinion yet you're still acting like I'm mums the word without an expressed opinion. Why is this so hard?

Keep talking mouth!

calling someone a mouth would indicate they're all talk and no substance. Since you struggle to keep basic facts or even what rant you're on strait yet never lack for quantity or volume! I find it a highly ironic name for you to continue to throw around. But bringing the funnies is what you do... carry on!

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[Quack U!]

Stomp,


Let's do this retort quickly SPARKY.....


BLAH, BLAH,BLAH only 4 true DT' recruited in four years, you can't back your argument, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, 95th best D or worse in country depending on your rose colored glasses, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, no one fears this D anywhere, BLAH,BLAH,BLAH, this is a prevent D at best and even if you call it a 3-4, or a 4-3 hybrid this D puts minimal pressure on the QB which is why we're getting crushed in short yardage passing lanes and why true freshman RB's like AZ gouged us to death!! Questions? Didn't think so...

Please however STOP mixing and misquoting my points to give your weak attempt at football knowledge and your lack of overall understanding of any positions a voice! A DE can be 6'6 + a DT needs to be shorter with better leverage and be able to get under pad level consistently. AA and Buckner are DE's it's okay for me to think their height is great until we play them as DT's or for goodness sakes at the NG position. You don't and can't win a championship with a D this poor and this team has to get over that hump. Getting a new defensive scheme at worst can't be worse than this crap, + something tells me a new D philosophy might just appeal to the DT's we haven't been able to land before cause they might be used properly for once!


On a side note, should we take notice of the fact you're sizing up players by how attractive they are, while the rest of the board is discussing defensive schemes and players roles, wins and losses, you're however noticing some DT's eye color and oddly projecting those "Stomp Points of Interest" on someone else? I don't think anyone on this board knew what Vanderchicken's eye color was but oddly you knew that little nugget. That and the fact you've said I was BUTT HURT numerous times before and seemingly have crushes on players... hmmm.. Odd statements to another male you've never met! No judgment..... just an interesting tell on your part! Project much?

I'm sure a person who calls himself STOMP doesn't in fact own the box set of Mad Max movies with the matching chaps, probably hasn't named his dog ZED and probably SHOULD have thought this through a little better, huh Mouth?

Anyway.... Swim Block has left for today...

Go Ducks!