Harry Giles, another Olshey's disaster

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blazerkor said:
There is this guy named Damian Lillard that just might be our best shot creator in every instance including iso. CJ gets buckets but if you need to give someone the ball at the end of the game and clear everyone else out to put that guy one on one with his defender who would that be? Not CJ... it would be Dame every time.
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not every time. Not when Dame is gonna get trapped.
Also. Dame is not better at driving Nd creating his own shot than cj.
Ball in Dames hands yes. To force the defense to make a decision. But then Dame needs a Cj as a go to.
see how dame is worn out at the end of seasons,

no superstar can do it every time on their own.
Lbj couldnt do it even. Kd couldnt do it.

To expect Dame to be the only guy every time is a recipe for burnout.
 
Big Dog said:
Uh, maybe because he is brought into almost every new members posts? This tuchi guy really has a grip on this forum, lol.
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Tyrant of Ants said:
Fuck it, I'm Tunchi!

Seriously, who the fuck is Tunchi and what did he do for y'all to keep talking about him?
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lol.
He started this thread.
He is just a half glass empty fan is all.
But it can weigh the forum down when he posts in almost every thread negative comments a out the team. Especially when they aren't very accurate takes.
 
I been watching Giles play since Duke and always been a pretty big fan but this was the best I seen him move in his playing days. He always play with heart but that game he move more freely on both ends of the court. But it's one game let see if can come back I come back with another solid performance.
 
BonesJones said:
Sorry but this is false.
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your opinion is my statement is false. Please note. I didnt say driving to the rim. I said driving.
I think he has better side to side motion that throws defenders off and is able to create more space tuan when Dame drives.
Is Dame faster? I think so. Is cj better at herky jerky movements to create space? I think so.

or we can argue about semantics...

But lets not qualify or disqualify anyone opinions as false or facts okay? Not on something like this where there is no verifiable tangle proof?

its just what my eye sees is cj is better and cresting his own shot. So maybe driving wasnt the best choice of words. :)

Oh and WTF are you doing up so early??? Or did you not go to sleep yet? Lol.
 
Orion Bailey said:
your opinion is my statement is false. Please note. I didnt say driving to the rim. I said driving.
I think he has better side to side motion that throws defenders off and is able to create more space tuan when Dame drives.
Is Dame faster? I think so. Is cj better at herky jerky movements to create space? I think so.

or we can argue about semantics...

But lets not qualify or disqualify anyone opinions as false or facts okay? Not on something like this where there is no verifiable tangle proof?

its just what my eye sees is cj is better and cresting his own shot. So maybe driving wasnt the best choice of words. :)

Oh and WTF are you doing up so early??? Or did you not go to sleep yet? Lol.
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I actually agree with this.
But i would have worded it differently.
Two different styles. CJ handles the ball differently and looks for a different type of shot. CJ can work better in traffic and he seems to hit that mid range game better.
Dame of course is a huge threat from outside the arc. Lets him move and look for a open lane.
We are lucky to have both styles as it sits right now.
 
Orion Bailey said:
your opinion is my statement is false. Please note. I didnt say driving to the rim. I said driving.
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What ? Doesn't "driving" literally means to make a dribble penetration towards the basket ?
 
SIeepwalker said:
What ? Doesn't "driving" literally means to make a dribble penetration towards the basket ?
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I mentioned it was a poor choice of words.
Please dont focus on one word and look at the overall posts ive made?

cj’s side to side, stop and go motion, to me, is better than Dames. Dame may be quicker to the hoop but i dont think he is as good at creating space on a pull up mid range.

i think cj is a better one on one player when looking to create space in general.

lets not focus on the one poor choice word of driving. :)
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure, but you can drive around the defense, or drive through it. I would posit than Dame is better at one, and CJ the other.
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great analogy. Exactly what im trying to say.

Dames better at driving through it. Evidenced by who gets more fouls.
Cj is better at going around or getting the defender off balance.

who has the better crossover?

cj in my opinion.
 
CJ is more clever with his handle than Dame. Don't think there's a lot of debate about that

of course, it's probably easier to have better handles when a player is spending most of the time simply looking for his own shot, than the handles of an eyes-up player responsible for running the offense. Dame has a lot more on his plate when he drives than CJ does. CJ spends most of his drive-time looking for open spaces on the floor to get up his shot. Dame drives-and-dishes a lot better, is a lot better as the PnR ball handler (elite), and much better at getting to the hoop, finishing, and drawing fouls
 
wizenheimer said:
CJ is more clever with his handle than Dame. Don't think there's a lot of debate about that

of course, it's probably easier to have better handles when a player is spending most of the time simply looking for his own shot, than the handles of an eyes-up player responsible for running the offense. Dame has a lot more on his plate when he drives than CJ does. CJ spends most of his drive-time looking for open spaces on the floor to get up his shot. Dame drives-and-dishes a lot better, is a lot better as the PnR ball handler (elite), and much better at getting to the hoop, finishing, and drawing fouls
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Another very good point.
 
wizenheimer said:
of course, it's probably easier to have better handles when a player is spending most of the time simply looking for his own shot, than the handles of an eyes-up player responsible for running the offense.
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This is kind of a tricky comparison because when it comes to dribbling in traffic and bringing the ball up the court, Dame is by far the better ball handler of the two. He is less likely to commit a turnover.

However, when Dame clearly needs to look for his own shot, does he then show those same type of handles that CJ does when we need a bucket in the 4th? I am not sure he does. Dame does it with quickness, Cj does it with a change of speed and his handles help create the space needed to score against longer defenders. When he is on he is very tough to stop. When Dame is on it is usually from deep or at the basket. They are very different type of scorers IMO.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This is kind of a tricky comparison because when it comes to dribbling in traffic and bringing the ball up the court, Dame is by far the better ball handler of the two. He is less likely to commit a turnover.

However, when Dame clearly needs to look for his own shot, does he then show those same type of handles that CJ does when we need a bucket in the 4th? I am not sure he does. Dame does it with quickness, Cj does it with a change of speed and his handles help create the space needed to score against longer defenders. When he is on he is very tough to stop. When Dame is on it is usually from deep or at the basket. They are very different type of scorers IMO.
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sure, there's a lot that goes into it and I was offering mu observations, whatever that's worth

82Games tracks some numbers....

Lillard:

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and CJ:

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they also track "clutch time" stats...

Lillard:

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and CJ:

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clearly, CJ's percentage was much higher but unfortunately, they use the nearly useless eFG% rather than TS%. Notice that Dame scores nearly 10 more points/48 than CJ from the FT line, which is what eFG doesn't gauge. And CJ's draw foul rate craters all the way down to only 2.2%. I'd imagine that CJ becomes even more CJ in clutch time and that's dribble to open spaces for his shot. I'd also imagine there is more open space because the other team is focused on Dame
 

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