How great is Tiger Woods?

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  1. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

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    Golf takes the most skill and thought out of any physical sport. They may not be in top physical shape, but they are in top mental.
     
  2. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jun 17 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd put my money on Tiger Woods whipping Peyton Manning's ass :]

    And Ice, God is a reference to Kobe Bryant or Peyton Manning. I'm not sure which one HK believes is God today. Too bad Peyton will never be God.</div>



    Or it could be about God's franchise...

    Peyton is just as solid as anyone in the League.
     
  3. huevonkiller

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice)</div><div class='quotemain'>Golf is nothing like football where the fans are loud and obnixious. It's a classy game and the fans there respect the players - and yes, being quiet while the player takes all day to wind up and hit the ball is something that they just do.</div>

    Something that detracts from their accomplishments imo. Such a thing does not occur in other sports.
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Right, no doubt there - but what does Sanders athletic build have to do with anything? You don't have to have a 6 pack with massive muscles to dominate the game of golf. Thats what we're all trying to explain to you - it takes deeper talents than how hard you hit the weights at the gym.</div>

    I don't think QBs are the most athletic either, but even the ones I hate are more impressive to me.
     
  4. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    I'm not taking a stance on this topic, but I couldn't resist posting this:

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  5. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 17 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not taking a stance on this topic, but I couldn't resist posting this:

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    Dude I'm about to eat.... :[
     
  6. Vintage

    Vintage Defeating Communism...

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice)</div><div class='quotemain'>Golf is nothing like football where the fans are loud and obnixious. It's a classy game and the fans there respect the players - and yes, being quiet while the player takes all day to wind up and hit the ball is something that they just do.</div>

    Something that detracts from their accomplishments imo. Such a thing does not occur in other sports.
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Right, no doubt there - but what does Sanders athletic build have to do with anything? You don't have to have a 6 pack with massive muscles to dominate the game of golf. Thats what we're all trying to explain to you - it takes deeper talents than how hard you hit the weights at the gym.</div>

    I don't think QBs are the most athletic either, but even the ones I hate are more impressive to me.
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    I wonder if the "quiet factor" has anything to do with trying to swing a club over 100mph (or in Tiger's case, 120 mph) and hitting a hitting a golf ball where something as trivial as a couple of millimeters can be the difference between "great shot" and "wow. That sucked."

    Since you keep bringing up football...

    I've played both football and basketball.

    They say football is a game of inches. Golf is a game of millimeters. It requires far greater precision. That is perhaps why its silent when they hit.
     
  7. Ice

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    You can provide all the links in the world that golf isn't as popular. And you are probably right to a certain extent - seeing as how most of the younger generations don't appreciate golf and would rather watch Kobe dunk.

    I've lived in an upper class community my entire life. The country club is always thriving, and the sport is very much alive.. But maybe not to the middle/high schoolers. Which is a shame.

    Make fun of golfers size all you want. . but its the same for all sports.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think QBs are the most athletic either, but even the ones I hate are more impressive to me.</div>
    And that will be a matter of opinion seeing as how you don't respect the game.

    But there are so many more 'X' factors for a talented QB. (How he was defended, the catcher himself bailing him out, etc.)

    Like Vintage said, if you are off by an inch. . its not going in. In football if the QB is an inch off, the receiver will still most likely catch it.

    The accuracy in golf is so precise compared to any other sport.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can provide all the links in the world that golf isn't as popular. And you are probably right to a certain extent - seeing as how most of the younger generations don't appreciate golf and would rather watch Kobe dunk.

    I've lived in an upper class community my entire life. The country club is always thriving, and the sport is very much alive.. But maybe not to the middle/high schoolers. Which is a shame.

    Make fun of golfers size all you want. . but its the same for all sports.

    [​IMG]

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think QBs are the most athletic either, but even the ones I hate are more impressive to me.</div>
    And that will be a matter of opinion seeing as how you don't respect the game.

    But there are so many more 'X' factors for a talented QB. (How he was defended, the catcher himself bailing him out, etc.)

    Like Vintage said, if you are off by an inch. . its not going in. In football if the QB is an inch off, the receiver will still most likely catch it.

    The accuracy in golf is so precise compared to any other sport.
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    In football you have to play on the road under grueling conditions and have 5-10 seconds, if you're lucky, to throw the ball. It requires an extraordinary amount of stamina and would be almost impossible to play twice a week. Golf is slow paced and boring to many, it isn't about Kobe dunks. There are thousands of plays in the NFL, it is just as mental. I watched the US Open playoffs though because it was a weird Playoff situation, and I can bear it at times. I'll watch Golf every now and then, that's it.

    Those fat slobs in football still have to be agile/quick to be left tackles or what not, John Daily doesn't. I've said various times what Tiger does is impressive, just not to the levels others state.
     
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    Where are the statistics to show that golf is declining in popularity?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The problem was not a game of golf. It was the game of golf itself.

    Over the past decade, the leisure activity most closely associated with corporate success in America has been in a kind of recession.

    The total number of people who play has declined or remained flat each year since 2000, dropping to about 26 million from 30 million, according to the National Golf Foundation and the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association.

    More troubling to golf boosters, the number of people who play 25 times a year or more fell to 4.6 million in 2005 from 6.9 million in 2000, a loss of about a third.

    The industry now counts its core players as those who golf eight or more times a year. That number, too, has fallen, but more slowly: to 15 million in 2006 from 17.7 million in 2000, according to the National Golf Foundation.

    The five men who met here at the Wind Watch Golf Club a couple of weeks ago, golf aficionados all, wondered out loud about the reasons. Was it the economy? Changing family dynamics? A glut of golf courses? A surfeit of etiquette rules �?‚??€? like not letting people use their cellphones for the four hours it typically takes to play a round of 18 holes?</div>
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Between 1990 and 2003, developers built more than 3,000 new golf courses in the United States, bringing the total to about 16,000. Several hundred have closed in the last few years, most of them in Arizona, Florida, Michigan and South Carolina, according to the foundation.

    (Scores more courses are listed for sale on the Web site of the National Golf Course Owners Association, which lists, for example, a North Carolina property described as “two 18-hole championship courses, great mountain locations, profitable, $1.5 million revenues, Bermuda fairways, bent grass, nice clubhouses, one at $5.5 million, other at $2.5 million — possible some owner financing.”)</div>
     
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    If golf is a sport, then beer pong sure as hell better be considered a sport, too.
     
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    And look at John Daly's career downturn.

    Modern golf is so different to 10-15 years ago. Physical fitness is very, very important.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The maturation of Tiger Woods is as much a tale of physical growth as it is of enduring life's emotional twists. A talented high school athlete -- he ran track (400 meters) and cross country -- Woods decided long ago to "treat golf as a sport." "I let other people treat it like a hobby," he says. "It would be asinine for someone not to work out and go play football. It doesn't make sense for golf, either."

    Now, through a mixture of a unique weight-training regimen, distance running, and late-blooming genes, Woods is about as fit as any athlete alive, and he's as physically different today from his early pro years as a sumo wrestler is from Chuck Liddell. When he joined the tour out of Stanford in 1996, Woods carried only 158 pounds on his 6 foot, 2-inch frame. Today, he weighs between 182 and 185 -- a gain of nearly 30 pounds. In 1996, his waist measured 29 inches; today, it's 31.</div>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Right now, Kleven says, Woods' lifting level is "off the charts." He wouldn't talk specific weights but said Woods recently reached new highs. "His endurance and strength allows us to do more reps at high levels [of weight] than normally seen in a golfer. His resistance for high reps is extremely high."</div>

    http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2921413
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir Desmond @ Jun 17 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And look at John Daly's career downturn.

    Modern golf is so different to 10-15 years ago. Physical fitness is very, very important.</div>

    Equipment has a lot to do with the modern game, too.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Equipment has a lot to do with the modern game, too.</div>

    Certainly, but the equipment is available to everyone.

    You've got to get an edge somewhere else too.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir Desmond @ Jun 17 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Equipment has a lot to do with the modern game, too.</div>

    Certainly, but the equipment is available to everyone.

    You've got to get an edge somewhere else too.
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    What I know of Golf, the equipment is making the golf courses too short. They were designed for drives to go 270 yards and the big hitters go 300+ due to the equipment.

    In the end, it still comes down to having a good short game and making your putts. The short game should get you closer putts to make.

    In the old days, you might have to get up and down in 2 to make par where today's guys are on the green with 2 putts to make par most of the time.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What I know of Golf, the equipment is making the golf courses too short. They were designed for drives to go 270 yards and the big hitters go 300+ due to the equipment.

    In the end, it still comes down to having a good short game and making your putts. The short game should get you closer putts to make.

    In the old days, you might have to get up and down in 2 to make par where today's guys are on the green with 2 putts to make par most of the time.</div>

    Yeah, that's how American golf is these days. The PGA tour is all about hitting straight and putting well.

    I much prefer to watch the European tour where the courses are far more interesting and there's more strategy involved.
     
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    The real problem with golf these days is that they built a lot of courses and set the green fees so high that most people can't afford to play. The courses themselves have become prime real estate for converting to housing as well; the housing bubble made that attractive.
     
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    Tiger is truly dominant. I really don't think golfers need to be in great shape. If John Daily can win a PGA championship, and a British Open and be clearly overweight. It shows that physical fitness isn't the primary factor in what makes an excellent golfer.

    Even the most out of shape soccer player or out of shape basketball player would probably beat John Daily in a footrace.
     
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    I bet tiger could outlift Durant.
     

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