OT I was just almost beaten up and arrested at Walmart

Also, something occurred to me after I wrote that. Security should ALWAYS be marked as such, and ALL security personnel are REQUIRED by law to be licensed with the Oregon Department of Safety, Standards, and Training (DPSST), or whichever State they are in (Washington is issued through a separate bureau of the Department Of Licensing). They are also REQUIRED to always have their license (can also be a temporary-issued card, or paperwork) with them when they are working, and there are NO exceptions to that.

You can always request that they show you their DPSST card, or "Guard Card". That is their license. It should look something like this:



Now, I haven't worked security since 2007, but I imagine that the license hasn't changed much, if any. It should be as it is shown: a white card with the green State seal background, and their PSID, which is their State-issued Security License ID number, should be a 5-digit number. If they are licensed unarmed, it will just say "unarmed". If they are licensed "Armed/Unarmed", then it will say as such.

I covered over my name and ID number, but that is where it should be; their full name and middle-initial included.

Now, this is important: if they are a contracted security company, such as Allied-Barton, First Response, Olympic, Knighthawk, etc etc, then they should also have their company-issued ID with them as well.

If they DO NOT have either one of these cards, I would be VERY weary of them; especially if they do not have their state-issued license. If they are in uniform without either a temporary license or full-issued license, then they are in violation of the law, and you need to contact the police or state and report them.

And if they are without either one, contact their company immediately and report them. I can all but promise you that they will most likely be fired. If it's one thing a security company does not like, it's a black eye from an non-compliant officer/guard.

If they claim to have them but refuse to show them, then I would also be weary of them. They likely are just being defensive, but if they're upstanding and honest guards/officers, then it should not be a problem.

And this applies to sworn police officers as well; though their credentials are a little different, they are nevertheless licensed by the State through DPSST.

So.....the next time you're confronted by someone claiming to be security, there's some peace of mind for you to work with.

 

i understand not going ham with the wifey there, i guess if it were me? i would go back there today with as many friends as you can scrounge up, and stream video of the agro dude that was super freaked about the pictures.

sounds fun!

 

Damn, what a story. Seems like the white trash biker security douche was afraid to do something about the domestic issue initially, then once the man/woman white trash combo left the store he decided to grow a pair of nuts and take his anger out on you. What a fucking idiot, all of them. You need to get ahold of corporate and get all these fucks fired! Completely ridiculous and uncalled for for them to theaten/intimidate a concerned customer. They need to find work elsewhere, apparently walmart is not trashy enough for them.

 

Non of this would have happened if you'd remembered to bring an assault weapon! Seriously...sorry that happened to you folks Sly...those hangovers take days to go away...stress sucks...but I always wondered who takes pictures of a woman getting beat up without stepping in...now I know!!!! (just kidding bro but you should definitely expose these Walmart idiots to the proper channels...I hope they all lose their jobs soon.

 

You should stay away from 82nd. Last time you tried to find a Pokemon there and found a hooker.

Edit: Link

 

Next official meet and greet?

 

Here is a crazy thought. That aggressive Walmart worker was probably Ben Davis.

 

Sly, I agree with Jade. Keep yourself and your loved ones out of the confrontation and immediately call 911.

 

If the biker guy was really a wal-mart employee and he assaulted you, you probably could have sued the shit out of Wal-Mart (or gotten a nice settlement). The fact that the employees were so non responsive and hostile to you makes me think they were in on it somehow.

Anyway, you definitely need to report this to either the police, or someone in upper management at wal-mart, because it sounds like they need to fire a lot of their staff.

 

Don't think so. I think the Biker guy was more like an accomplice. If he were really there for security he wouldn't just stand there.

 

To me, sounds like this group of people are part of some kind of crime ring. Definitely they're up to no good.

 

Everyone assuming Walmart doesn't instruct their employees to stand back and watch. Probably following orders.

Not the screaming about photos part. I've been itching for a chance to beat someone's ass while holding my phone and getting video with my left hand. Please please please.

 

That's not necessarily true. There could have been a lack of training on his part (which would, unfortunately, not be uncommon), or he felt that he was doing what his training teaches at the basics: Observe and Report. And most corporate policies forbid getting involved unless the store employee (security) has visually observed merchandise being stolen. At which point they can move in and make a citizens arrest and detain the suspect until police arrive (in my experience, properly trained and licensed Loss Prevention Officers carry handcuffs and proper ID with them for such an occasion).

If he was Loss Prevention, then he was likely NOT security. Security would have had jackets and markings of "Security", and their jobs/responsibilities are a bit different according to their training and/or store/corporate policy.

Most people don't know that, but a standard guy wearing a "Security" jacket patrolling the parking lot and store is usually NOT Loss Prevention.

I know it sounds like bullshit, but corporate and private security laws really are that anal. It makes covering your ass very easy from a Corporate and personnel perspective, and it makes enforcing Private Property laws simple for those who aren't trained very well.

"Liability" is the key word here.

All that being said, it still puzzles me....if he WAS some sort of security personnel, then why wasn't he calling the police? Was there somebody else watching a camera monitor somewhere that was doing it for him? That still doesn't explain his lack of professionalism.

It would not surprise me if Corporate Policy forbade interfering with what appeared to be domestic violence situations. Corporations have a LOT of lawyers for just that sort of reason.

But we don't know what was going on here. All we have is one version of events.

 

Which begs the question. Does Walmart also instruct their employees to NOT CALL 911 when there is physical violence in their store? Something is very wrong at that store.

My guess is the key to unraveling this mystery is the store surveillance videos. The Walmart head of security in Kansas needs to have those videos saved. Otherwise, if they are destroyed, it will be Sly's word against an organized group of employees.

 

There you go.

 

Cops should have been called. Clearly

 

Well, Sly seemed to be under the impression that the guy was his "buddy", and he was there. It's hard to imagine a store like wal-mart doesn't have security personnel on hand to stop an assault like that. Wouldn't have been too hard to wrangle the guy. Just jump on his back and put in him a rear choke hold. Say goodnight!

 

And say "hello" to a massive lawsuit if he has a heart attack and dies. Ahem...Eric Garner......

Precisely the reason why corporations forbid their employees from getting involved in many situations. I actually worked for a company once, where the guards in Seattle watched a fight on a transit platform; a fight that ended up with one person almost dead and in the hospital. The company came right out and said they supported their officers and their actions. They were not disciplined or fired.

It made big news years ago, but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment.

 

If companies require employees to stand there and watch the company should be punished if police aren't called. Don't wanna do anything? Fine, but you have some responsibility if you operate a business.