Ok, let me put it this way. I don't think the American People with a thousand varying opinions will vote him as their democratic nominee and if so, as President of The United States With Varying Opinions of America. He should really relocate to Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua if he so hell bent on pushing socialism down the throats of people because thats all he does.
I think Democrats are more invested in this debacle than Republicans and independents. They've been looking for the magic silver bullet to end Trump's time in office practically since day one of his administration. It get's frustrating when you keep missing.
I just think you work within the system you have until there is an opportunity to change it. One good thing about the current mess we're in? It's like a wake up call; expect major change in the future.
No. Trump could shoot someone on 5th avenue and be videotaped doing it, holding the smocking gun. The Republicans would still acquit him. We already have that. In spades. Trump's defenders haven't even tried to argue otherwise. Their argument is that it doesn't matter, who gives a shit. And, not incidentally, to do their duty, according to their oath of office. barfo
I'm sure you are right about that. If someone has accepted that corruption is unimportant and possibly even desirable, why would they be invested in a corruption trial? barfo
Not sure how many of you have had the opportunity to watch much of the last 2 days' proceedings but the Dems have provided a VERY compelling case...and fwiw, I don't necessarily consider myself a democrat or left leaning, but it seems very clear to me what's happening and what the outcome will very likely be if the GOP has their myopic way, but speaking strictly for myself, I'm becoming more and more pessimistic about our future as a Republic.
The problem with that HG is that all the republicans (via trump) wanted was the two Bidens and the whistle blower. The Biden's knew nothing about what trump was trying to accomplish through Ukraine and the whistle blower only alerted the appropriate people from information he was told through the whistle blower program and from there the IG and others opened the investigation. Neither one would be able to bring forth any decent evidence for the impeachment. Unlike people like Bolton, Mulvaney, etc. that trump blocked from testifying. What information could the Biden's provide or the whistle blower provide? The only thing it would accomplish is exposing a person that is protected by the whistle blower act and defame the Bidens which would effect his run for the democratic nomination.
Like I mentioned before, if the republicans are going to help protect the president at all costs then at least the impeachment trial brings a lot of information to light so that the public can decide at the polls. Without this coming to our attention, then there may be a lot of people that vote for trump without really knowing what he has actually been doing. Should the democrats just throw their hands up and say "let's do nothing" and allow this scumbag to continue down the same path? To me, they are playing hardball right back at trump and playing his game. That's how you beast him as he needs to be exposed.
Maybe so. But it didn't have to be Biden necessarily but the whistleblower certainly should be fair, maybe in private or so. I mean the accuser should be able to be asked questions form the defense. I think the courts could have granted subpoenas. To me its seems like mixing oil and water with the two party hate.
what sort of questions do you need to ask the whistle blower that haven't already been answered by more connected sources? It would be like me alerting the fire department that someone told me that Bob Slob started a fire that burned a business down. I don't have any first hand info, didn't witness the crime but only passed along some hearsay evidence but want to remain anonymous for fear or repercussions and possible death threats. If the fire department then investigates and finds witnesses that actually have pertinent info and it was corroborated what more could I offer up in a trial as a witness? trump just wants him exposed so he can attack him endlessly like he proves to do on a daily basis with others. There is a Whistle Blower law for a reason and it doesn't favor republicans, democrats or independents.
Fox suggested not to watch hearings, just their commentary. Reported Rand Paul is sketching, and Marsha Blackburn reading a book. Glad to see they take the Constitution so seriously. At a rally Trump said Article 2 of the Constitution, which I am sure he hasn't read, gives the president "powers that you would not believe". The Constitution is not a secret manuscript only available to 35th degree Real Americans. We study it in school. It's in bookstores and libraries, on line, organizations give copies away. Anyone with basic English literacy can read what powers it grants a president. Trump lacks basic English literacy.
Nice. All I’m just thinking that if you are going after corruption it’s best to get your ducks in a row while you can. Don’t wait until those you believe are corrupt are in control.
If attorneys on either side want witness's i'm good with it, as long as it is pertinent to a case. Both of these sides seem's to feel, and say they have overwhelming evidence as is.
but you never said if the whistle blower's testimony would be relevant and why if you think it is? There is a lot of evidence being withheld by the defense. They stonewalled the House and now stonewalling the Senate. Doesn't that sound like obstruction to you? I sure hope if I ever go to trial I can block witnesses and documents from being released to the other side and to the jury
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Every politician, left, center or right, that uses the phrase "the american people want....." drives me absolutely fucking insane.
The dems hands were tied. Either extend this to probably beyond the election or go with what you have were the only choices given. It should be in an impeachment case or a high profile case where time is of the essence then the judicial system should have something in place to where it can be fast tracked to the Supreme Court. As it is, the only recourse is to have the Attorney General back the prosecution and force witnesses to testify or find them in contempt of court, but as we have come to find out, Barr is no Attorney General for the people as he is simply an another attorney for trump. This isn;t what our forefathers envisioned.
I would have to leave that up to attorneys. If trump was able to do what he wants it would be over in time. Absolutely its obstruction if he's breaking the law. Again, they should have taken him/them to court for subpoena as he would be obligated too. I think this is fairly common in trials. I haven't listen to this at all other than pits and pieces while trying to find a different channel.
