Politics Iowa Democratic caucus results are plunged into crisis as party says it has found 'INCONSISTENCIES'

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The problem with that is, why is it Pete's fault and not Bernie's, if we are assigning blame to one candidate or the other (rather than properly blaming some fools in Iowa)?

    Not clear, given that Bernie's camp went to some effort to preserve the caucus system, that this isn't more his fault than any other candidate's. If you really want blame assigned.

    #BerniesCaucusChaos

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    Bernie’s campaign didn’t help fund the company that created the faulty voting app. Pete’s did. That coupled with the fact that he claimed victory before the votes were counted is enough to get the people who got cheated last election riled up.
     
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    add to that that Bernie had a comfortable lead in early polls where Pete was somewhere in the low middle pack. Then the system goes down for a day and bunch of shuffling happens and Pete magically appears on top. The problem is not necessarily with the actual caucus format, although that does suck and needs improvement, the problem here is with how it played out. It makes Pete looks shady as hell, even if Pete is legit then it puts his whole victory into question and opens the door for criticism and conspiracy. In politics appearances are everything.
     
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    Pete's campaign is a customer, they paid them for some sort of banking app. It's not nefarious. That company sells shit to a lot of campaigns.

    If you buy a burrito at Chipotle, and they give a bunch of other people the runs, are you guilty of funding Chipotle?

    Jeez, Bernie arguably won last night and is on track to win NH and possibly NV. It's like complaining about the refs when you are up 30 points in the 1st quarter.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, I can see that Bernie's camp wants to create the appearance that Pete cheated. It's bullshit, of course, but politics aint beanbag, so have at it.

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    Do you score beanbag by the quarter?
     
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    These kind of election screw ups have been going on since the fist election. Smoke filled back room deals (Kennedy/Johnson) bribes, orgies, paid solicitors, chad's, nothing new just now everything is exposed true or false over the net and 24/7.
    Wait till 2024 when we vote from on the net, via I phone, lap top , PC.
     
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    If I buy $42,000 worth of burritos, then yes.

    But it would be no mystery as to why I had the shits.
     
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    Buttigieg doing well in Iowa, regardless of what actually happened behind the scenes, doesn't worry me. He has virtually no chance of actually winning the nomination. If anything it would be good if some Biden people in other states switched to Buttigieg because of this.
     
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    The last 4 winners of the nomination were picked by Iowa
     
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    It's hard to know whether that's the right way to game it, assuming you want Bernie to win the nomination. Weaken Biden and you strengthen not only Pete - about whom you may well be correct, he's not polling well in more diverse states - but you also strengthen Bloomberg. I thought Bloomberg was another Steyer until recently, but he's an order of magnitude richer than Steyer and he might be an order of magnitude smarter too.

    Bernie's major advantage at this point is that there are too many moderates in the race. Weaken Biden and Biden probably drops out. He's not the type to fight it all the way to the convention if he's not going to be the nominee. Klobuchar is very likely going to run out of money and have to drop out. If you are right about Pete, then all of a sudden you might be talking about a Bloomberg vs Warren vs Bernie race, in which case either Bloomberg wins because Liz and Bernie split the progressive vote, or Liz wins because she's a compromise between Bloomberg and Bernie. I don't think Bernie wins unless he can push Warren out of the race before someone consolidates the moderate wing.

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    Here's some good news for Bernie supporters, though:

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    Are the Republicans outsourcing their shitty campaign strategy creation department to the Democrats or something?
     
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    I've been through a caucus before and it's a nightmare. I'd say it's virtually impossible for a physically handicapped or elderly person to undergo.
     
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    I feel for the guy that was in charge of the IDC. I do think he was sincere in his apology and can relate with system issues as Ive worked Corporation that every time they changed or updated a system there were always problems but once straighten out efficiencies were realized.
    Im not sold on a conspiracy to keep Bernie out with, this Iowa situation without evidence.
     
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