Politics Iowa Democratic caucus results are plunged into crisis as party says it has found 'INCONSISTENCIES'

second tweet. For some reason it didn't autopost only the tweet re: Russian interference in the Iowa Caucaus.

 

But we should have the FBI look into it. But the FBI is the Deep State. But the Deep State sabotages Trump. But Trump is controlled by Russia.

 

They're being corrected, but the fact that they are releasing many fucked up results is worrying. Hopefully every "mistake" gets caught by folks on twitter?

 

Just a close race between the two and they each get near equal amount of delegates.
Trumpers, Russians or DNC didn’t rig or cause this event.
Now if Bernie wins SC I’m suspicious as hell!

 

It's pretty easy how. Very very few actual voters (as opposed to all adults) as a percentage are centrists. The vast, vast majority of voters are partisans. Even if most Democrats aren't Democratic Socialists, very little to nothing of what Sanders is proposing is so objectionable to them that tribalism will be overcome and they'll either not vote or vote for the other party. Trump showed that even Republicans who found Trump deeply objectionable still came in from the cold once he was the nominee--Trump may not be "their guy" but he's far better than a Democrat to them. Same will be true of non-Sanders Democrats versus a Republican, especially Trump.

Elections aren't really won, these days, by triangulating to pick up the middle. It's by energizing your base and getting more of your base to actually vote than the other team's (I mean, party's). A charismatic candidate and/or an opponent that your base viscerally hates are important.

 

Any democrat is several orders of magnitude better than Trump, the disagreement lies in how many orders of magnitude. This year there will be no amount of bad blood created in the primaries that cant be overcome when the other option is Trump.

If Bernie wins he will have months to talk and contrast himself vs Trump instead of enduring DNC infighting. Most people will realize that he isn't a boogy man and that health care and education are actually good ideas to invest into our countries future. The other democrats already agree with him that those are core issues they just disagree on how to go about it. Compare that to Trumps policies and its a no brainer. As for the so called "undecideds" they are like unicorns at this point. Most people I know who consider themselves independents are the people who will consider all options long and hard and then always vote republican anyway. I agree with Minstrel that the battle will be won by energizing a base and getting people out to vote, Bernie does that well and has the best grassroots campaign currently going so I like his chances.

 

Why would you presume to suggest how another state conduct their elections?
Who is the we when you criticizes another states system?

 

The exception Barfo Bernie is running on a demo socialist platform and I just dont see how he can win over all the blue collar manufacturing base in the midwest and the heavy union presence. They will support a more centrist traditional democrat platform but not one so radically left. James Carvel was right on.

 

This shit is too fucking funny. Just a blatant rigging of a presidential election. Again.

Get ready for 4 more years of Trump everybody, courtesy of the DNC. Again.

 

What is a "traditional" Democratic platform? Democrats have been pushing for a form of universal health care since at least FDR's day. Even the great triangulator and centrist Bill Clinton tried (and failed) to get health care reform. Many of the things Bernie Sanders is advocating are things that have been Democratic priorities for decades. Carville is a Clinton Democrat and Clinton captured a moment when Democrats were demoralized by three consecutive terms of Republican Presidents--two by Ronald Reagan and one by George HW Bush. Clinton and his advisors believed that the only way to win was to move to the center and win over the independents. The Republicans have proven pretty clearly that you don't need to move to the center to win--they've been tacking more and more to the right over the years. You don't win by trying to be all things to all people, you win by getting more of your voters to the polls. Republicans have had a big edge in that, in general, because older people are more reliable voters than younger people and Republicans are much more popular among older demographics, while Democrats are much more popular among younger demographics.

"Socialism" polls badly, but the actual things that Sanders wants poll well. A battle between Trump and Sanders would be a battle of messaging. Sanders actually does well among "blue collar" voters, because the things he advocates for are things that help blue collar workers a lot.

I'm not even some big Sanders believer. I'm currently not sure which Democratic candidate I want to win the nomination (other than not-Bloomberg). I just don't buy the narrative that Sanders is a lost cause in a general election because of a socialist scare. Or that Sanders represents an agenda so dangerous and radical that the Democratic party is scared of him. The Democratic party establishment (like all establishments) prefer long-time party warriors who have seniority and a proven record of loyalty to the establishment. I don't think they hate him, they just prefer people like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Corey Booker. Just as they preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama until it was clear that Obama was a superstar politician.