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Cugel said:
It's a valid opinion. Who do you keep? Ant and Shaedon? Or just Shae? Who would want Dame? It would have to be a ~contender with great young talent and/or picks. Not sure what team fits the bill. The Heat?
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If the Blazers want to build a contender it would be best to trade Dame. He's unlikely to improve or get more healthy. Sure there's a few cases of stars playing well in mid 30's but that's the exception. I understand why some never want to trade him though, and if so there is a way to rebuild with Dame here as the Lakers did with a washed up Kobe.

Keep Shae for sure.

I'm fine keeping Ant but also fine flipping him for a haul of assets. I don't see him ever as much more than CJ, which is nice, but not an all star level player on a contender.

Nurk I'd dump, but problem is him, Winslow, Hart, Payton, Little, Keon, just don't have much if any value. Especially Nurk, who might already be a big negative asset.

Jabari and Watford could be good role players on a contender, are young and cheap, so keep them. But if a team overpays ship them out, Blazers are in asset acquisition mode not final roster moves to build a contender

Grant has been awesome and can help any contender. I'd trade him, maybe he'd want to be included in a Dame package to join him on a new team. Problem with Grant is he's just getting past his prime and Blazers are so far from contending we're a few years from being with him where we now are with Dame. In hindsight Blazers should've traded Dame after the bubble.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Well the 12 game hot start didn't age well. Blazers are closer to the bottom of the league than contending, it's time to tear it down and rebuild.
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Curious the reasons you think why we are in a free fall?
 
THE HCP said:
Curious the reasons you think why we are in a free fall?
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I'd say losing 8 of 10 games is a free fall.

Also have not looked good in those games. It's not something Dame being healthy flips to contending, he maybe flips it to mediocrity.

I was pessimistic in the off-season and leaning towards a teardown being best. I was willing to wait 20 games, especially after the hot start. But have now seen enough to believe this roster can't contend and it doesn't have assets to get a star in a trade, it's time to move on.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'd say losing 8 of 10 games is a free fall.

Also have not looked good in those games. It's not something Dame being healthy flips to contending, he maybe flips it to mediocrity.

I was pessimistic in the off-season and leaning towards a teardown being best. I was willing to wait 20 games, especially after the hot start. But have now seen enough to believe this roster can't contend and it doesn't have assets to get a star in a trade, it's time to move on.
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Honest question. I always respect your opinion. When I post in September that our current collection of talent leads me to believe we will battle for the 10th spot and win 40 games I get killed in here about not knowing anything about the game of basketball. Why do you think that is?
 
And when they created a thread for people to bump up their win predictions two weeks in, I stayed with my 40 win prediction. Why do I get killed for that?
 
THE HCP said:
Honest question. I always respect your opinion. When I post in September that our current collection of talent leads me to believe we will battle for the 10th spot and win 40 games I get killed in here about not knowing anything about the game of basketball. Why do you think that is?
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Thanks. I'd say for the most part all fan bases have something like maybe half that are homer's and overly positive, a quarter that are overly negative, and a quarter with a balanced rational outlook. So that cool aid mob starts attacking when they see posts that don't align with their warped perception. Add to that many of us with a rational outlook are unexcited for this franchises mediocrity, and posting less, probably pushes those ratios further.
 
THE HCP said:
Honest question. I always respect your opinion. When I post in September that our current collection of talent leads me to believe we will battle for the 10th spot and win 40 games I get killed in here about not knowing anything about the game of basketball. Why do you think that is?
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homers who desperately want to believe are a vocal part of every fanbase. When faced with reality that their team is only okay, typically they'll either fade away or blame the coach

edit... lol, just read WM's response and it reads almost exactly the same!

STOMP
 
THE HCP said:
And when they created a thread for people to bump up their win predictions two weeks in, I stayed with my 40 win prediction. Why do I get killed for that?
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Yeah i bumped ot up to 42. I'm sticking with it though. I'm keepin the faith!
 
BlazerBender said:
Well…

would you look at that?

That trash team GSW is now tied with us in the standings.
Does that make us trash as well?

Asking for a friend….
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Yes
 
It is easy to self-identify with a sports team. Not easy to take losses or hear a negative view. Human nature; tribal or pack mentality. I am super pessimistic by nature then my hopes get up and it is cloud 9 followed by a crash. Not healthy tbh. Anger.

I do think it is hard to transistion from Dame era Blazers to the next era. It is enevitable but not easy to create the roster. Trade Ant, Nurk, etc. I havent found a good team for Dame and he may just want to stay on for the rest of his deal. Get the pick back from CHI maybe?? They are desparate for talent IMHO. Zach is not working out as a franchise player.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yes
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Aww Come on bro.

See this picture:

We were winning before injuries started happening, and then we still won at first, but guys like Winslow cant play 40 minutes a night. We wore out our bench. Let us get healthy and see where we are at.

I suppose the key is will we ever get healthy?
 
THE HCP said:
Honest question. I always respect your opinion. When I post in September that our current collection of talent leads me to believe we will battle for the 10th spot and win 40 games I get killed in here about not knowing anything about the game of basketball. Why do you think that is?
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it's not the prediction that gets you "killed"

it's incessantly repeating your prediction and the constant "I told you so" moments like you're in some kind of grudge match. That coupled with promoting your unbridled fandom of Lebron and Zion, the Lakers and the Pelicans (I've noticed you've backed off on the Minny praise...or maybe that was Aldo; hard to keep track which particular fanboy is fanboying in which direction)

but lately, as Portland has struggled thru injuries and the NBA's toughest schedule, the way you and some of the 'trade-Dame-Blazers-suck' nega-posters seem to be reveling in Blazer losses is certain to rankle a lot of posters. It's a Blazer forum after all and a loud choir of smug ' Ha-Ha-Blazers-Suck' is guaranteed to get push-back

and of course, certain posters were predictably quiet over the first 15 games but have showed up with dozens of negative posts in the last 2 weeks....
 
wizenheimer said:
it's not the prediction that gets you "killed"

it's incessantly repeating your prediction and the constant "I told you so" moments like you're in some kind of grudge match. That coupled with promoting your unbridled fandom of Lebron and Zion, the Lakers and the Pelicans (I've noticed you've backed off on the Minny praise...or maybe that was Aldo; hard to keep track which particular fanboy is fanboying in which direction)

but lately, as Portland has struggled thru injuries and the NBA's toughest schedule, the way you and some of the 'trade-Dame-Blazers-suck' nega-posters seem to be reveling in Blazer losses is certain to rankle a lot of posters. It's a Blazer forum after all and a loud choir of smug ' Ha-Ha-Blazers-Suck' is guaranteed to get push-back

and of course, certain posters were predictably quiet over the first 15 games but have showed up with dozens of negative posts in the last 2 weeks....
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Brother I grew up a fan of the NBA as much as a Blazer fan. I posted once about how talented I thought the Wolves were. And I don’t come on here and type I told you so. Just because I don’t think our blazers are going to the western conference finals every year….c’mon. The asshats who had us winning 55 games are the ones that should be getting killed on here. They’re the ones that make this place miserable with their constant complaining. As if we should win every one of these games.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's not the prediction that gets you "killed"

it's incessantly repeating your prediction and the constant "I told you so" moments like you're in some kind of grudge match. That coupled with promoting your unbridled fandom of Lebron and Zion, the Lakers and the Pelicans (I've noticed you've backed off on the Minny praise...or maybe that was Aldo; hard to keep track which particular fanboy is fanboying in which direction)

but lately, as Portland has struggled thru injuries and the NBA's toughest schedule, the way you and some of the 'trade-Dame-Blazers-suck' nega-posters seem to be reveling in Blazer losses is certain to rankle a lot of posters. It's a Blazer forum after all and a loud choir of smug ' Ha-Ha-Blazers-Suck' is guaranteed to get push-back

and of course, certain posters were predictably quiet over the first 15 games but have showed up with dozens of negative posts in the last 2 weeks....
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Lol, it's upside down world. We're all Blazers diehards here, no one is rooting for them to suck. Many with perspective would like our discussions on the board to be reality based so threads like this are flat ridiculous. Do you really think asking if The Blazers are the Best Team in the West? is a remotely legitimate discussion to have & isn't going way way over the skis? Good grief man, and then you lash out with the insults when reality sets in... smh. This roster sucked, now with some reshuffling and the addition of Grant it's mediocre to good if everyone's healthy. If the goal is for the team to win and not primarily to be a fanboy of a player, then this roster is obviously still a work in progress.

STOMP
 
Often, when a question is asked on the internet, you never get a satisfactory answer. It's kind of refreshing that this particular question has been so decisively answered.
 
THE HCP said:
Brother I grew up a fan of the NBA as much as a Blazer fan. I posted once about how talented I thought the Wolves were. And I don’t come on here and type I told you so. Just because I don’t think our blazers are going to the western conference finals every year….c’mon. The asshats who had us winning 55 games are the ones that should be getting killed on here. They’re the ones that make this place miserable with their constant complaining. As if we should win every one of these games.
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look HCP, I may have been a little too antagonistic with that post. And for sure, my homerism is probably coloring my perspective. That post was IMO all the way

but for damn sure, people have reached conclusions about this team and I think conclusions are way premature. Last season was a mulligan. Blazers finally fired the long time GM and started to dismantle his idiot mess of a roster. And they were deliberately tanking at the same time. Nothing was established and of course, a dismantle/remodel isn't going to be done in half a year. There's almost no 'proof of concept' yet

so we are only 1/4 of the way into the actual 1st season of the new roster and the combination of injuries and brutal schedule have had Portland buried. We do not really know what the team is capable of, and what it will look like a year from now
 
wizenheimer said:
look HCP, I may have been a little too antagonistic with that post. And for sure, my homerism is probably coloring my perspective. That post was IMO all the way

but for damn sure, people have reached conclusions about this team and I think conclusions are way premature. Last season was a mulligan. Blazers finally fired the long time GM and started to dismantle his idiot mess of a roster. And they were deliberately tanking at the same time. Nothing was established and of course, a dismantle/remodel isn't going to be done in half a year. There's almost no 'proof of concept' yet

so we are only 1/4 of the way into the actual 1st season of the new roster and the combination of injuries and brutal schedule have had Portland buried. We do not really know what the team is capable of, and what it will look like a year from now
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Which is exactly why I predicted pretty much a .500 season……
 
And you NEVER seen me on here be happy that we lost.
 
wizenheimer said:
look HCP, I may have been a little too antagonistic with that post. And for sure, my homerism is probably coloring my perspective. That post was IMO all the way

but for damn sure, people have reached conclusions about this team and I think conclusions are way premature. Last season was a mulligan. Blazers finally fired the long time GM and started to dismantle his idiot mess of a roster. And they were deliberately tanking at the same time. Nothing was established and of course, a dismantle/remodel isn't going to be done in half a year. There's almost no 'proof of concept' yet

so we are only 1/4 of the way into the actual 1st season of the new roster and the combination of injuries and brutal schedule have had Portland buried. We do not really know what the team is capable of, and what it will look like a year from now
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Which is why I was blown away at people thinking we would get HCA in the playoffs.
 
THE HCP said:
Which is why I was blown away at people thinking we would get HCA in the playoffs.
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I wasn't playing that close attention to it, but how many people here were actually predicting HCA? 2? 3?...out of what...100 posters? Is it really surprising that in a forum with as many posters as there are there will be some extreme predictions?

I can't remember if I made a prediction. I think maybe yes and that it was somewhere in the 43-45 win area with the 6th seed as the likely ceiling

But I know for certain that after a decade of olshey-vision I was just thankful that clown was gone. Blazers gave olshey 10 years to get it right. Cronin ought to get 2 or 3
 
If someone predicted the team would be mediocre with a fully healthy roster, sorry, your prediction has not been fulfilled.
 
blazerfan11 said:
If someone predicted the team would be mediocre with a fully healthy roster, sorry, your prediction has not been fulfilled.
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No someone predicted this team would be mediocre because of the lack of talent on the roster. Was there a thread where you would make predictions if the team stays fully healthy? I missed that one bro.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wasn't playing that close attention to it, but how many people here were actually predicting HCA? 2? 3?...out of what...100 posters? Is it really surprising that in a forum with as many posters as there are there will be some extreme predictions?

I can't remember if I made a prediction. I think maybe yes and that it was somewhere in the 43-45 win area with the 6th seed as the likely ceiling

But I know for certain that after a decade of olshey-vision I was just thankful that clown was gone. Blazers gave olshey 10 years to get it right. Cronin ought to get 2 or 3
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So you predicted THREE more wins than me?
 
This team was never a contender. Not now, not for the passed decade. The powers that be have been stuck in this smallish, scoring, little defense guard duo as being the foundation of the team and it is just a net negative from the start. That is not to say that Dame/CJ/Ant aren't very talented players. It's that their weaknesses are multiplied while their strengths are muted because they can't be their best when they are sharing time with any of the other.

Grant is a nice addition and more of that type of player is needed, but as of now, it's not enough.
 
Cugel said:
With the worst defense in the NBA, as of now, Portland isn't winning anything. Ball dominant guards that cannot defend...whoda thunk it?
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Winslow is a ball dominant guard who can’t play D? He’s been a starting guard most of the season and during all the recent losses. Can’t blame Dame for those
 
TBpup said:
This team was never a contender. Not now, not for the passed decade. The powers that be have been stuck in this smallish, scoring, little defense guard duo as being the foundation of the team and it is just a net negative from the start. That is not to say that Dame/CJ/Ant aren't very talented players. It's that their weaknesses are multiplied while their strengths are muted because they can't be their best when they are sharing time with any of the other.

Grant is a nice addition and more of that type of player is needed, but as of now, it's not enough.
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We’ve been losing all these games with a big guard in Winslow.
 
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