Keeping our pick? This might be a Lottery year

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Make the pick for the Future.....or trade it for 'now'?

  1. One last attempt

  2. Build for the future....one player won't make enough of a difference

  3. Get bad enough to where the pick makes an immediate impact

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  1. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    Yeh, he is intriguing; has almost all green on the Tankathon rating system.

    https://www.tankathon.com/players/keegan-murray
     
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    Fez Forthright スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Chet is my guy but Smith is a monster prospect too.

    He’d step in right away as our starting PF for the next decade+

    Auburn on a tear — Smith tonight:

    25 pts (8-14 FG, 3-6 from three)
    7 rebs
    4 blks

    He has a lot of Paul George in his game.
     
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  4. MickZagger

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    The game comes easy to Smith you can tell by just watching him. He’ll be a star. I picked up on that the first game I watched him play. He’d be my #1 pick
     
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    That was my comp for him as well; a 6’10 PG. saw him dribble into a pullup at the 3 point line and instantly though a taller PG.
     
  6. TBpup

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    Blazers have dropped all the way down to the #9 spot in the Draft Lottery rankings. We are now in the last Play-In spot and if we managed to get into the Playoffs, would be up against the Phoenix Suns.

    #CannonFodder
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    watched the highlights of the game. i don't see george at all. PG was always super smooth and had a terrific handle while being able to finish at the rim. Smith looks a bit clunky whenever he's doing anything other than spot-up shooting. I think Jaren Jackson jr is a decent comp.

    For now anyway. Still a terrific prospect at that size, though.
     
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    How about based on:
    Points (Bol Bol)
    Rebounds (Bol Bol)
    Essentially the same bpg (slight advantage Chet), same steals (slight advantage Bol Bol)
    Shot better from 3 and ft
    Essentially same on turnovers (slight advantage Bol Bol)
    Worse on assists (2 for Chet, 1 for Bol Bol).
    Oh and Bol Bol fouls less.

    I mean, pretty much by every measure of the word he was, as I admitted before, a superior player in his limited experience.

    That’s not to say Chet would end up like Bol Bol, I asked a question “what’s the difference between Bol Bol & Chet? Everything people are saying that makes Chet a unicorn was said about Bol Bol, plus Bol Bol was better in college.”

    If the answer is “BBIQ”, ok, fair - curious why it hasn’t translated into some dominant college basketball player. Because he isn’t a focal points and picks his spots? Well, I’d argue if he was good enough, they’d make him a focal point.

    That also doesn’t explain his disappearing acts in half of the games they’ve played against quality competition.

    But like I said, it was a question.
     
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    If you’re drafting someone with a top pick, you should be REALLY concerned with their ability to play offense, imo. I stated that earlier. A top 3 pick who can’t score, isn’t going to help us much, in my opinion.

    I also mentioned it briefly before as to why I’d be hesitant to draft him that high.

    it’s kinda like Marcus Smart or Davion Mitchell. Elite defenders who… aren’t exactly gonna light the world on fire offensively and it’s a problem.
     
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    Also, I’ll eat my crow.
    I’m firmly on Jabari #1 now.
    Paolo #2.
     
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    When throwing out stats in this argument you're comparing apples to oranges. Very obviously with 15 shots per game during Bol Bol's very limited sample size of a college career, he was the focal point of the Oregon offense. Chet meanwhile is an important part of what Gonzaga does but he's not close to being the focal point with two of his teammates getting more attempts per game than he does. The same is true for rebounding where Gonzaga rebounds as a team and Bol Bol was the guy who went up to get the boards for the Ducks. None of the numbers matter because they are playing in two completely different situations.
     
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    JJJ is who he reminded me of movement wise as well the first time I saw him. Have that same awkward fluidity to them.

    His shot motion and how he likes to set up his pull ups reminds me of Andrew Wiggins a little bit as well. His offense feels very predetermined like Wiggs, but when you're an elite shooter at 6'10" you are still going to find a lot of success.

    Defensively he looks like a guy that'll be a neutral maybe slight positive value guy. Not a great rim protector for his size. Not very explosive or long and doesn't seem flexible in his upper body which hurts his ability to get a good contest on shots that aren't directly in his area. He's active on the ball, but he also struggles to navigate screens. But any guy his size has trouble with that so it's not a huge deal to me.

    I like him, but right now he's a fairly clear third for me after Paulo and Chet who I have in their own tier right now.
     
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    paolo #1 for me. jabari 2.

    im deathly afraid of chet, man.
     
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    Hard not to be afraid of the frame and just so so athleticism, but the fact that he has had next to no injury history and seems to play well with contact eases those concerns for me.

    I am definitely interested to see how much weight he can add to his small frame and how that'll affect his positive athletic traits (hip fluidity, quick second jump, upper body flexibility) but if he can add enough strength over time and maintain those qualities, that will allow him to use his handle and passing ability in the half court off closeouts.

    Team fit is definitely more important with him as well. You're going to have to get a little bit more creative with him offensively early on and have a big that complements him, allowing him to play a lot of 4.
     
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    Nbadraft.net’s recent extended mock:

    “This is the time of year that many teams forget about Gonzaga and their players, but Chet Holmgren is someone you can’t forget about. The 7’0 freshman is lean, but displays athletic ability and skill we’ve really never seen from someone of his size. Holmgren is comfortable taking the ball up the court, taking on defenders off the dribble and fading off screens to knock down triples. While there will be fear related to his body strength and potential for injury, his upside alone is enough to draft him first overall, but his talent and comfort level with the college game is proving how special he is as a player.”

    His physical will be huge - I’m more concerned about a possible Marfan syndrome diagnosis than I am his weight.

    If he has no red flags on his physical you take Chet #1 imo.
     
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    i don't like the idea of having to hide a top 3 pick. i'd want someone to build around. and given our injury history with big men, red flags all around for me.

    paolo is as much of a unicorn to me without all the fear. can score at every level, decent defensive instincts, great athlete, and he's got a motor. no brainer right now as #1.
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    No fucking thanks.

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    They're practically twins. Fuck outta here. Paging @Mediocre Man
     
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    195 for chet seems generous
     
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    6'10, 250. and doing this.

    come on

     

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