Lottery pick: #6, 2nd Rnd Picks: #36, and #57

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  1. TBpup

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  2. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Nobody in this thread will help keep Dame in town. You better hope we trade all these picks for vet help.
     
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    wut?

    are you saying that if Portland uses the pick to draft a player Dame will demand a trade?
     
  4. PtldPlatypus

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    What "vet help" do you think we could get with the 6th pick that would be worth the trade?
     
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    Was trying to take a break from posting until the lotto, but still can't get over how hasty and bad those trades were, especially when we don't have a finite plan in mind to convert that flexibility into talent.

    That said, the only way to salvage value from what we just lost is to luck out in the lottery and/or trade back into the draft for an asset we can move for talent.

    Ideas/scenarios:

    - OKC has #4 + #12. If we jump them and they drop, we can try to get two picks for one.
    - CHA has #13 + #15. Can try to get both for our pick.
    - Spurs have #9, #20, #25. Can try to get all three of their picks for ours if we land high enough for a player they are targeting. (recall we traded #15 + #20 for #10 in the 2017 draft... ugh).
    - Houston has their own pick + #17. Another potential trade partner depending on how the lottery goes.

    All of this obviously depends on the results of the lottery. If we are in position to draft Paolo/Jabari, I don't want to bother trading back.

    What a freaking blow this is to lose a major asset before we even start our summer.
     
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    well...if the plan was to use both the 11th pick and the 21M TPE to get Grant, this might have been a blessing in disguise...? Kind of like when Roy Hibbert or Greg Monroe or Chandler Parsons turned down max offers from the Blazers. Saving the Blazers from themselves
     
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    Also, my tier system for the draft is as follows:

    1. Paolo
    2. Jabari

    3. Ivey
    4. Chet

    5. Murray

    6-14 prolly all in the same boat.

    The valuation for the picks should be considered accordingly, and we might still be able to target the player we want in the draft at a later pick.

    (i'm trying to spin this shit to rationalize Cronin's stupidity but it's really difficult).
     
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    i have been lukewarm on Grant from the beginning. But I had talked myself into trading for Grant with the NO pick, while using ours on a prospect.

    The fact that that remains possibly off the table now is solace I suppose. But still hurts to lose our 2nd most valuable trade chip this soon. I had other targets like Randle who is on his way out. Siakam is killing his trade value right now and probably could be moved. Cam Johnson has long been on my list of targets. Etc etc. Now we don't have many avenues to land any of these guys IF they become available.
     
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    Randall is the same as Grant for me....meh

    Cam Johnson might be available by the trade deadline next season because of Sarver pinching pennies. I don't think he'd be available at the draft

    Siakam? Would a S&T of Simons + Bledose + 6th pick be too high a price?
     
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    same. I'm seeing Barnes/Collins also mentioned. They're all in the same tier for me for the most part.

    depends on how their playoffs go, what happens with the Sarver investigation, and how they proceed with Ayton. They're obviously not in a $ crunch yet, but very soon will be. They might want to recoup assets now when his value has never been higher.

    way too much. Siakam's limitations are on full display in the playoffs. Think OG/Barnes have more trade value.
     
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    yeah, I think you're probably right

    very well could be that something like Ant + Keegan Murray >> Siakam, even as early as next season
     
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    Id do that...salaries would need to workout with others.
     
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    yup, bottom line. we need to climb to top 4, then assess value of players available in the draft vs value we can trade back for.

    Would NY consider #11 + Randle for #6 for example?
    Or would ATL consider #16 + Collins for #6?

    I need Cronin to be creative and maximize every ounce of value he can in any trades with our TPE and/or pick. No more of giving up assets for nothing. Desperately hoping we make a hire of his boss before the draft.
     
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    That's fine-- we'll see what shakes out come workout/combine time.

    This was nbadraft.net's mock on 4/21/2012, approx 2 months before the draft, and a month before the lottery.

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    And here's how it ended up going after:

    upload_2022-4-21_12-40-38.png

    Still lots to figure out and change.
     
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    NBADraft.net's mocks have always been wacky.
     
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    Was going through some of these old mocks-- it's actually quite interesting.

    In april of 2012, Draftexpress had Dame going 13th with guys like Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones going top 10.
     
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    I believe they essentially act as a big board at least until the lottery order is set. Not an actual mock of who they think will go where
     
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    Davis, Drummond, Sullinger, and Jones. 4 respected college big men who never reached their predicted value in the NBA because of physical issues. I would love to see a breakdown for the last 25-30 years of drafts and see how many top 10 rated bigs have fallen short of expectations due to their bodies not standing up to the demands of the NBA. My wild-ass guess is that it would be disturbingly high.
     
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    Sorta did that here for the past 10 yrs.

     
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