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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The result is that Gooden has burned his bridge in Cleveland, with the Cavaliers now turning to Evans and possibly Keith Van Horn, a more perimeter-oriented player. The only team left with any real money to play with is Charlotte, which doesn't need to add more size. My prediction for Gooden: a two-year, $6 million deal from either Minnesota or New Jersey.</div>
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Gooden would be a good fit, as long as we don't overpay.
 
I could see Gooden starting alongside Krystic down low. He would be a good fit for you guys and would you give you strength at every position.
 
2 years 6 million? Why would he take a paycut?
 
So In the longer run to get more money I assume.
 
Gooden would be very nice for New Jersey. You guys have needed an interior rebounder for a while. It's quite bad when your PG and SF rebound better than almost all your bigs.

In addition to this, Gooden can also score, and can finish quite well too, but we'll see what happens.
 
Gooden would be a nice addition. Though that's just a personal opinion, as well as someone from SI, so I don't know how much credit I give it.
 
Gooden is the perfect addition imo. In minny he would be the odd man out under KG. I doubt they would want KG as C unless they are playing small ball.

He is a head case but hopefully he gets it all together in NJ. GREAT addition imo for this FA.
 
The Nets don't need Gooden...at least they are not headed in his direction. They are going for Illic and a guard this offseason. And that is about it.
 
I think Gooden would be a great addition to the Nets. He gives them another interior scorer and gives them that much needed rebounding big. Plus, I think with JKidd running the show in Jersey, it could really elevate his game to another level, at least offensively. He hasn't played on a team with a great point guard yet, and I think he could be even better than what he is now if he were to play with Kidd.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Nets don't need Gooden...at least they are not headed in his direction. They are going for Illic and a guard this offseason. And that is about it.</div>

I'm sure the prospect of getting a proven double-double player will change that direction.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sure the prospect of getting a proven double-double player will change that direction.</div>

Its not so much the stats; Its the direction that the team wants to go. They want Illic and need a veteren Guard. They do not have the roster space for both Gooden, what they want, and what they need.
 
No, I must be not clear. If you can get a potential starter that can fill your needs and more vs. a bench player, I think you go with the starter than the bench player. Rebounding and some post scoring is worth more than what Kareem Rush or Eddie House can give you.
 
U guys can have him, i dont think that he would do too well in minny. Plus, i dont like his game
 
I get that what you are saying, its just that the Nets (rather management's philosophy) are going to get House or Rush and Illic. Illic will provide future benefits while Rush or House are managemnet's philosophical needs. Therefore it is unlikely that we will see Gooden with the Nets.

Historically speaking, the Nets do not really like Gooden as a person or player either.
 
All I can say is the Cavs had better get a good replacement for him if you guys do get him.

I do think he'll be a nice fit for you, with Krstic, Gooden, RJ, VC and JKidd being the starting 5 you would have strength all round. Obviously, the 1, 2 and 3 are the best, but you would be solid up front. Gooden might not have the prettiest game, but he could get it done for you.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Historically speaking, the Nets do not really like Gooden as a person or player either.</div>

Since when? And Ilic is about 3 years away from contributing. He went scoreless in a blowout against Argentina today, and reports say he is not a strong rebounder either. So a tough, hardnose player like Gooden will benefit.

Vince Carter is about to turn 30, and Kidd is wellinto his 30s. Winning now is the priority.
 
Gooden would be perfect for us, as he is great at running the floor. Please Thorn and Ratner don't pass this up...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when? And Ilic is about 3 years away from contributing. He went scoreless in a blowout against Argentina today, and reports say he is not a strong rebounder either. So a tough, hardnose player like Gooden will benefit.

Vince Carter is about to turn 30, and Kidd is wellinto his 30s. Winning now is the priority.</div>

Back when Gooden was an availible free agent and the Nets lost Martin they could have replaced Martin with Gooden. They did not. Thorn made comment to the tone that they don't like Gooden's mental offering and basketball offering.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ma3oxuct:</div><div class="quote_post">Back when Gooden was an availible free agent and the Nets lost Martin they could have replaced Martin with Gooden. They did not. Thorn made comment to the tone that they don't like Gooden's mental offering and basketball offering.</div>


Things change over time. We are pretty desperate to get a championship. So if Gooden decides he wants to sign with us, I think Thorn will get him even with the past comments he had about him.
 
Gooden would be great we needed a big man and we could get him right here. If Gooden wants to win he would play in New Jersey rather then for the Timberwolves.
 
Its tough to say that Gooden is hungry for a championship (I'm argueing from the stand point of Thorn, et.al.). Does he really help a team win, especially one like the Nets? He might rebound and be able to score some, but can he play defense? He might end up breaking team chemistry.

Personally I wanted Gooden to be signed back when he was a free agent (I believe that he was restricted) for the first time and after Martin was traded. Nets managment just does not like him.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally I wanted Gooden to be signed back when he was a free agent (I believe that he was restricted) for the first time and after Martin was traded. Nets managment just does not like him.</div>

Gooden was only a 3rd year when Martin was traded. Thus, his rookie contract after the option was not expired. Thus, he was not signable until this year, when his rookie contract finally was given up. So, to say that he was available would be incorrect. HOWEVER, he is a resitricted free agent. Nets management could do nothing, so you are wrong.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its tough to say that Gooden is hungry for a championship (I'm argueing from the stand point of Thorn, et.al.).</div>

What does this mean? Is VC hungry for a championship? Did he look it before the Nets got him? This is not a valid point.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Does he really help a team win, especially one like the Nets? He might rebound and be able to score some,</div>

You answered your own question. The Nets leading rebounder last year was their point gaurd. So, yes, they need some to rebound, especially a guy who can get 10 a night.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">can he play defense?</div>

Now this is a legit question. And to that answer I say, he is average, but definitely better than Krstic, so he has a place in that regard.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He might end up breaking team chemistry.</div>

He was traded a lot, but I don't remember any complaints about him being a bad teammate. The Grizzlies traded him cause they had Pau and could not make him a SF. The Magic traded him for the same reason. Cleveland seems to like Varejao more cause he has more energy, plays better d (though needs to control his fouls) and is content with not scoring.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was traded a lot, but I don't remember any complaints about him being a bad teammate. The Grizzlies traded him cause they had Pau and could not make him a SF. The Magic traded him for the same reason. Cleveland seems to like Varejao more cause he has more energy, plays better d (though needs to control his fouls) and is content with not scoring.</div>
Cleveland is mainly having contract negotiation problems. Gooden knows he put up better numbers than Nene who didn't play at all last season, so he wants that kind of money.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ma3oxuct:</div><div class="quote_post">Back when Gooden was an availible free agent and the Nets lost Martin they could have replaced Martin with Gooden. They did not. Thorn made comment to the tone that they don't like Gooden's mental offering and basketball offering.</div>Gooden wasn't a FA back then. For that matter, this is his first year on the market.

Also, the whole Illic thing, I'm sure the Nets would take Gooden over him any day. He's years away from contributing and the Nets want to win right now. Jason Kidd and Vince Carter aren't getting any younger and they want to win now.
 
^^ beat me to the punch, gooden was never an FA and to say the nets wouldn't be interested in a double double guy when they obvs need size is ridiculous, especially if he would really settle for 2 yrs 6 mill which is dirt cheap
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Source

Gooden would be a good fit, as long as we don't overpay.</div>

so much for that writer thinking he would get 2 yrs 6 million, he just got 3 yrs 23
 
MLE is $5.5 million right? Tim Thomas and Vlad Rad got MLE. Gooden plays the big forward position much better on both ends, as a starter can give you up to 15 PPG and likely double digit rebounds, and with ~27-29 MPG 10-12 PPG, and 8-9 RPG. $7.7 million per year, 2 million more than MLE is a fairly good contract for him.
 
He just signed with Cavs
 
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