Miller, Blazers Reach Buyout

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    It has become shockingly absurd how protective some people have become of the 13th, 14, and 15th spots on our roster.


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    For all we know, the 13th, 14th, and 15th spots may turn out to be our starters for the next 5 years.

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    Nice point NateDogg....... this time of year people always do sweat who the last 2 or 3 guys players are going to be and it rarely if ever comes into play. Even on our depleted roster this season I don't think it will factor whatsoever.
     
  4. Harry's Raincoat

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    I think this is dreaming!! Rotation player? Steady minutes? But, can't shoot a lick??? Oh my! I have to disagree.
     
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    This year is about OBTAINING and DEVELOPING players for the future. Our goals are: Player Development, Draft Position, and Trades for better players.

    Now, does anyone know or have heard how much the buyout for Miller amounts to????
     
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  6. Natebishop3

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    Short answer: no

    Long answer: does it really matter?


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    Was Utah the sucker team for Wesley?
     
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    Frazier/Pressey is on the 3rd team (11th to 15th player) only 1) if McCollum is a reliable high-quality PG, and 2) if McCollum is so untired from his (starting?) SG minutes that he can play full 2nd-team minutes at PG.

    If either condition proves false, the Frazier/Pressey spot is suspended somewhere between 2nd-team and 3rd-team in importance.

    Yes. Sloan did all the work and got nothing. We received a starter from Sloan's discovery and development work.
     
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    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

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    This dude could only get a contract from Denver, a team that is probably going to be just as bad as we are. He must be done.
     
  10. Harry's Raincoat

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    Only to determine the amount of Cap Space we have available for lopsided or or absorbing trades.
     
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    Isn't our cap space still 13 mil under the minimum? Eventually we have to use it or split it amongst the roster we settle on if I'm not mistaken
     
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    Correct. As @Harry's Raincoat noted, the only advantage of the buyout is to give the Blazers a bit more room to make a lopsided trade.
     
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    Why are you arguing the Blazers should keep Frazier in the context of trying to win games? That is not the purpose of this season.
     
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    Yes it is, we have a very good roster in terms of talent and depth. If Stotts is finally able to play more flexible rotations which would probably be the case anyway we could be into a very interesting season. Not just Frazier. We have several interesting big men, Harkless should be a pleasent surprise according to the reports and our backcourt even with just Dame and CJ post the Memphis series is going to have some fire-power. I don't think we're contenders but believe we could be good enough for playoff-contention.
     
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    Or within Fraziers ability level.

    Now, if the idea is to LOSE games, then by all means, keep Frazier. And play him a lot.
     
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    Even if everything breaks our way and we somehow become a team in playoff contention the purpose of next season is not to win games. We aren't winning a title next year so it's about developing players for multiple years from now. Neil Olshey and Stotts have said as such. Your posts lack a perception of reality.
     
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    If you think McCollum will look good at PG, then you think the Frazier vs. Pressey choice will have no effect on Lillard's fatigue and injuries.

    I don't think McCollum will be any good at PG. I think the Frazier/Pressey player will get a lot of minutes, especially when Lillard misses games due to injuries from being The Man on offense.

    Meanwhile, all these rookies with promise will need more than one team before making the league. We're the sucker team. As Lee Harvey Oswald said, the Blazers are just the patsy.
     
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    Only if they don't develop into useful players AND we aren't able to use any of them in trades. I suspect we'll at least trade a couple of these guys at some point.
     
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    wrong. the argument made related only to his number of games played, which I appropriately pointed out was dumb with my ridiculous example.

    If one is interested in "apples to apples" comparisons, I'm all for it. Compare NBA salaries, compare cost to the team (in terms of draft picks, trades, ...) However, folks on here tend to not want to do that. They'd rather pontificate on a player's future based on their feelings, especially if the stats don't back up their feelings.
     
  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Actually, the argument related to number of games played in relation to number of games available to have been played. Pressey, in 2 years, has played in 125 of a possible 162 games, or 77%. Due to time spent in the D-League, since he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster from the get go, Frazier has played in 11 of a possible 82 games, or 13%. Bringing up a draftee who has not had an opportunity to play any games is not a reasonable reply.
     

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