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One thing I have never understood about Paul's money

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  1. tester551

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    He may not have had any great options... but it's much better to not do anything & maintain flexibility than make a dumb decision & lock yourself in.

    Guess what NO decided to do
     
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    Oh god damn... I never thought you would turn into a Neil defender. I'm disappointed!
     
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    The hottest team in the NBA? That's what you were looking for right because the Jazz have been on a monumental tear.
     
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    Hmm, your right he wasn’t gonna get any stars here at the deadline but there were players to be had that coulda pushed us to the 4/5 seed and gave us a more than decent chance at the second round and maybe more. I think not trading for Mirotic was a mistake, we give up what? The 18th pick? Maybe even a pick in the 20s for a 25 year old 20/10 guy who can stroke the 3? There was your 3rd scorer Neil, I don’t think he even thought about trading for him, which is hilarious considering we made a trade with the Bulls. Don’t say we didn’t trade him because we have Collins, there is ZERO guarantee Collins turns into anything, he’s straight potential and if Neil isn’t making the team better with proven players because he THINKS his draft picks will all fulfill their potential then he needs to go back to the car dealership.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Right before Allen hired Olshey, Phil Jackson, living in Idaho, campaigned publicly to become Blazer advisor. Allen ignored him. I liked that, because I thought that West, not Jackson, was behind Laker success (acquiring talent).

    Brown was basically kicked out of the NBA for constantly complaining to the media. He tried to stay in. He and Jackson would come here, but would cost much more than they're worth.
     
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    Orion Bailey WHINEY BIG BITCH!!!!!

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    Toss some names or there then. Who could he have signed thstvwould have been worthy of going into tax trouble and would get us past Houston or gsw?

    Nobody? So just spend money to spend money?

    It’s no wonder the rich are so few...
     
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    Once you hit the salary CAP, you can only go over using exceptions, or by making a trade where you take a limited amount more in than you send out.

    NO has a ton of flexibility in the form of Trade Player Exceptions he could have used if there were a quality player to be had.

    What you call flexibility is really handcuffs.
     
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    There is a good book to be written about the different qualities required in a GM or advisor as opposed to coaching. And also how the desire for people to put ex-players and managers in the job can backfire ROYALLY. Phil Jackson and Isaiah Thomas obviously wanted to become GMs for the big payday but ended up failing so spectacularly that nobody would ever let them near a role like that again. Ironically enough, if you look at Jerry West and NFL GM Ozzie Newsome, they seem almost the opposite from those two guys. Both were widely successful players who quietly took jobs in the front office almost as accident, as just a way to stay with the franchises they loved. And it's funny that both men have an ability to scout in their respective professions at a level that is so high barely anybody questions them. Newsome will retire next year and take on a role with the Ravens in the same way that West has thrived on for years. But what are those magic qualities that an Ozzie Newsome and the toxic qualities that make an Isaiah Thomas, somebody who can burn your franchise to the ground? My guess is we will find out in somebody like Derek Jeter.... can he make the switch to management in his respective sport? Except for him, the goal is ownership not advisor or GM. Get your popcorn ready folks, will see if ego wins the day or if good judgement prevails.
     
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    It’s not about going into the luxury. The point is to at least have assets. Turner and Meyers aren’t assets. They can’t be moved for jack shit. At least moe can get you a little something. Meyers showed a little bit of promise when cj and him finally got minutes when we were getting bounced by Memphis and LA was all but gone. Then he was ass again the following year. Neil still signed him. He wasn’t worth anything before the contract and is worth less after. Could of given turner a significant amount less. Why do you think Boston didn’t take him back? They weren’t matching that bullshit offer.
     
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    I copied excerpts from 2012 articles about Phil Jackson willing to be Blazer President/Asst. Coach.
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    Phil Jackson went through another hip surgery or knee surgery, a replacement, he had a number of them. He had to sit in a special chair the last few years.

    he wanted a year off from coaching, maybe never coach. But it did interest him to be the president of the Blazers.

    In the spring, Jackson’s agent spoke several times with Blazers president Larry Miller, who wanted Jackson to coach the Blazers.

    Jackson wanted to replace Larry Miller as president of the Blazers. would have hired Brian Shaw as head coach and worked as an assistant on Shaw’s staff.

    Jackson had discussions with Portland about the head coaching job "for the last few months" before Jackson turned the team down.
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    GM job: David Morway, the general manager of the Indiana Pacers, is the favored candidate of Blazers president Larry Miller. Bert Kolde is pushing for Los Angeles Clippers general manager Neil Olshey.

    Olshey is a client of agent Warren LeGarie. LeGarie represented former Blazers GMs John Nash and Kevin Pritchard as well as ex-assistant general manager Tom Penn. You'd think Allen wouldn't want to eat at that restaurant again.

    former New Orleans general manager Jeff Bower. Philadelphia 76ers senior vice president Tony DiLeo.
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    Jackson was supposed to meet with Paul Allen. Once Olshey came in, that never happened. he was frozen out. Olshey and his agent, Warren LeGarie, worked to "freeze out" Jackson. Olshey didn't want the power to shift, obviously, because that's what would happen.

    Former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan turned down the Blazers on Thursday. The Trail Blazers were in "back-and-forth discussions" with NBA coaching legend Phil Jackson.

    Portland did offer Jackson the coaching job. He was willing to serve as an assistant under Shaw, his former assistant in L.A.

    Jackson withdrawing from the Orlando Magic executive search, citing "another opportunity."

    Miller resigned on July 6, and Allen said he would open a national search.
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    so they offer him the coaching job. That's not really what he wanted. he would have come as an assistant for Brian Shaw at home games.

    "Phil would be interested in talking about a possible role in the organization, a tremendous advisor to the owner.''
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    An uninformative thread.
    http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/bl...g-job-to-jerry-sloan-and-phil-jackson.217582/
     
  11. riverman

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    We dodged a bullet...see his last job with the Knicks..
     
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    One thing I never understood about Paul's money is that fans think they have a right to tell him how to spend his money.
    :devilwink:
     
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    Well you’re talking about Portland here. The Bernie Sanders loving people angry at Paul Allen because he’s worth 20 billion doing what he wants with his money. So you know, naturally that’s a problem
     
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    Some people are chimps. Not you, of course.
     
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    Orion Bailey WHINEY BIG BITCH!!!!!

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    Hindsight is 20/20.

    I already addressed most of what you said again. Not gonna repeat myself.

    You have yet to show me of the list I put together, who we could have signed that would have made us better.

    The thought was they would become assets. They haven't yet, but they will soon when they are expiring, so one way or another they are assets. Sorry his timeline didn't fit in with your impatient one....

    So lets say we gave Turner 10 mill. Then when we go to trade him we can only take a 10 mill contract back. at 18 mill we can get more back.
     
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    LOL! Well clearly would should have paid him $35M then!
     
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    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You make me laugh! Mirotic is having a career year and is averaging 16.6 points and 6.9 rebounds. How is that missing out on a 20/10 guy? How do you know that Olshey didn't try to get him? With Cousins going down their draft pick is likely to be better and they took on a contract that wasn't quite as bad as the ones we likely offered.

    Sure, he would have fit with the TPE but it was pretty clear that avoiding the luxury tax was the priority. Going deep into the tax AND giving up a 1st round pick for a guy who could maybe get us one seed higher isn't exactly a home run trade.
     
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    Here’s your whole list of that offseasons signings


    BRADLEY BEAL: 5 years, $128 million with Wizards
    TIMOFEY MOZGOV: 4 years, $64 million with Lakers
    DEMAR DEROZAN: 5 years, $145 million with Raptors
    ANDRE DRUMMOND: 5 years, $130 million with Pistons
    NICOLAS BATUM: 5 years, $120 million with Hornets
    JORDAN CLARKSON: 4 years, $50 million with Lakers
    HASSAN WHITESIDE: 4-years, $98 million with Heat
    ISH SMITH: 3-year contract with Pistons
    D.J. AUGUSTIN: 4-years, $29 million with Magic
    JEREMY LIN: 3 years, $36 million with Nets
    AL JEFFERSON: 3 years, $30 million with Pacers
    JERRYD BAYLESS: 3 years, $27 million with 76ers
    MIRZA TELETOVIC: 3 years, $30 million with Bucks
    CHANDLER PARSONS: 4 years, $94 million with Grizzlies
    EVAN TURNER: 4 years, $70 million with Blazers
    EVAN FOURNIER: 5 years, $85 million with Magic
    MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA: 4 years, $38 million with Bucks (Cavs can match)
    SOLOMON HILL: 4 years, $48 million with Pelicans
    JEFF GREEN: 1 year, $15 million with Magic
    DARRELL ARTHUR: 3 years, $23 million with Nuggets
    DWIGHT HOWARD: 3 years, $70 million with Hawks
    MIKE CONLEY: 5 years, $153 million with Grizzlies
    JUSTIN HAMILTON: 2 years, $6 million with Nets
    JARED DUDLEY: 3 years, $30 million with Suns
    E'TWAUN MOORE: 4 years, $34 million with Pelicans
    JOAKIM NOAH: 4 years, $72 million with Knicks
    KENT BAZEMORE: 4 years, $70 million with Hawks
    JOE JOHNSON: 2 years, $22 million with Jazz
    LUOL DENG: 4 years, $72 million with Lakers
    JON LEUER: 4 years, $42 million with Pistons
    ARRON AFFLALO: 2 years, $25 million with Kings
    BISMACK BIYOMBO: 4 years, $72 million with Magic
    TREVOR BOOKER: 2 years, $18.5 million with Nets
    RYAN ANDERSON: 4 years, $80 million with Rockets
    MARVIN WILLIAMS: 4 years, $54.5 million with Hornets
    ANTHONY TOLLIVER: 2 years, $16 million with Kings
    AL HORFORD: 4 years, $113 million with the Celtics
    COURTNEY LEE: 4 years, $50 million with the Knicks
    IAN MAHINMI: 4 years, $64 million with the Wizards
    AUSTIN RIVERS: 3 years, $35 million with the Clippers
    ERIC GORDON: 4 years, $53 million with the Rockets
    WESLEY JOHNSON: 3 years, $18 million with the Clippers
    JAMES ENNIS: 2 years, $6 million with Grizzlies
    ANDREW NICHOLSON: 4 years, $26 million with Wizards
    TYLER JOHNSON: 4 years, $50 million with Nets, Heat match
    COLE ALDRICH: 3 years, $22 million with Timberwolves
    GARRETT TEMPLE: 3 years, $24 million with Kings
    TOMAS SATORANSKY: 3 years, $9 million with Wizards
    JAMAL CRAWFORD: 3 years, $42 million with Clippers
    RAJON RONDO: 2 years, $28 million with Bulls
    MALCOLM DELANEY: 2 years with Hawks
    MATT BARNES: 2 years, $12 million with Kings
    DWIGHT POWELL: 4 years, $37 million with Mavericks
    DERON WILLIAMS: 1 year, $10 million with Mavericks
    TARIK BLACK: 2 years, $12.5 million with Lakers
    RAMON SESSIONS: 2 years, $12.5 million with Hornets
    SHAUN LIVINGSTON: 1 year, $5.8 million option picked up by Warriors
    SERGIO RODRIGUEZ: 1 year, $8 million with 76ers
    HARRISON BARNES: 4 years, $94 million with Mavericks
    PAU GASOL: 2 years, $30+ million with Spurs
    BRANDON JENNINGS: 1 year, $5 million with Knicks
    LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE: 2 years, $4.5 million with Clippers
    ZAZA PACHULIA: 1 year, $2.9 million with Warriors
    ROY HIBBERT: 1 year, $5 million with Hornets
    LANCE THOMAS: 4 years, $27 million with Knicks
    SETH CURRY: 2 years, $6 million with Mavericks
    DIRK NOWITZKI: 2 years, $50 million with Mavericks
    GERALD HENDERSON: 2 years, $18 million with 76ers
    DAVID WEST: 1 year, $1.55 million vs. Warriors
    MINDAUGAS KUZMINSKAS: 2 years, $6 million with Knicks
    WILLY HERNANGOMEZ: TBD with Knicks
    JASON SMITH: 3 years, $16 million with Wizards
    NENE: 1 year, $2.9 million with Rockets
    BRANDON RUSH: 1 year, $3.5 million with Timberwolves
    BRIAN ROBERTS: 1 year, $1.05 million with Hornets
    LANGSTON GALLOWAY: 2 years, $10-12 million with Pelicans
    RICHARD JEFFERSON: 2 years, $5 million with Cavaliers
    LEANDRO BARBOSA: 2 years, $8 million with Suns
    BOBAN MARJANOVIC: 3 years, $21 million with Pistons
    DEWAYNE DEDMON: 2 years $6 million with Spurs
    MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with Spurs
    MARCELO HUERTAS: 2 years with the Lakers
    AMIR JOHNSON: Celtics picked up player option
    IAN CLARK: 1 year deal with the Warriors
    FESTUS EZELI: 2 years, $15 million with the Trail Blazers
    ALLEN CRABBE: 4 years, $75 million with Nets, Trail Blazers match
    MARREESE SPEIGHTS: Minimum contract with the Clippers
    TROY DANIELS: 3 years, $10 million with the Grizzlies
    DERRICK WILLIAMS: 1 year, $5 million with Heat
    TIM FRAZIER: 2 years, $4 million with Pelicans
    WAYNE ELLINGTON: 2 years, $12 million with Heat
    MARCUS THORNTON: 1 year, minimum with Wizards
    JAMES MCADOO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
    JAMES JOHNSON: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
    MEYERS LEONARD: 4 years, $41 million with Blazers
    WILLIE REED: 2 years, minimum with Heat
    JARRETT JACK: 1 year, minimum with Hawks
    UDONIS HASLEM: 1 year, $4 million with Heat
    GREIVIS VASQUEZ: 1 year, $5 million with the Nets
    JARED SULLINGER: 1 year, $6 million with Raptors
    KRIS HUMPHRIES: 1 year, $4 million with Hawks
    SASHA VUJACIC: 1 year, minimum with Knicks
    LUIS SCOLA: 1 year with Nets
    CHRISTIAN WOOD: 2 years with Hornets
    JONATHAN GIBSON: 3 years with Mavericks
    PABLO PRIGIONI: 2 years, minimum with Rockets
    JOE HARRIS: 2 years, $2 million with the Nets
    MAURICE NDOUR: 2 years with the Knicks
    ANTHONY BENNETT: 2 years, minimum with the Nets
    RANDY FOYE: 1 year with the Nets
    MANU GINOBILI: 1 year, $14 million with the Spurs
    QUINCY ACY: 2 years, minimum with the Mavericks
    RAYMOND FELTON: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
    TERRENCE JONES: 1 year, likely minimum with the Pelicans
    DAVIS BERTANS: 2 years, $4 million with the Spurs
    CHRIS ANDERSEN: 1 year, minimum with the Cavaliers
    BRANDON BASS: 1 year, minimum with the Clippers
    JORDAN HILL: 2 years, $8 million with Wolves
    ANDERSON VAREJAO: 1 year, minimum with Warriors
    ALEX ABRINES: 3 years, $18 million with Thunder
    MILES PLUMLEE: 4 years, $52 million with Bucks
    AARON BROOKS: 1 year, $2.5 million with Pacers
    MIKE MILLER: 2 years, $5 million with Nuggets
    GERALD GREEN: 1 year, $1.4 million with Celtics
    TYLER ZELLER: 2 years, $16 million with Celtics
    ALONZO GEE: 1 year, minimum with Pelicans
    NICOLAS BRUSSINO: 3 years, minimum with Mavericks
    DION WAITERS: 1 year, $2.9 million with Heat
    MAURICE HARKLESS: 4 years, $40 million with Blazers
    DAVID LEE: 2 years, $3.2 million with Spurs
    KEVIN SERAPHIN: 2 years, $3.6 million with Pacers


    Players for cheaper you could of thrown offers to that I feel we need on this team.

    Etwuan moore
    Jeff green
    Joe Johnson
    Courtney lee
    Wesley Johnson
    Wayne Ellington

    These are players I quickly looked through here who I would of pulled the trigger on at the time before signing turner, and these guys are cheaper, some way cheaper. There are probably more on this list you could easily throw out offers too but for me this is on first glance
     
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    Who buys the damn tickets? If we had a Donald Sterling-type skimping on practice jerseys then nobody would say anything about our complaing.
     
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    When a person or a group buys a pro team, they are buying into the community that they are asking to support their franchise.

    They invest their money and time in the team, just as we invest our money and time in supporting the team. If we aren't allowed to question their decisions, what's the point of supporting the team? It's not all or nothing. Support isn't compulsory. If it was unwavering support, no questions asked, I would stop following sports entirely. It's no different than buying anything else. If you are loyal to a brand, for instance Ford, and your last three trucks were Ford F150s, but it comes time to buy a new truck and the latest F150 is a piece of shit... would you buy it? Horrible safety rating, poor design, overpriced.... would you still buy it?

    I personally have found brands that I like, but have gone a different direction when they made decisions with their product that I did not care for. I'm probably on my last iphone because I don't want to buy a phone that requires a dongle to use my ear buds. We are customers, and while the Blazers are tied to this city because they bare our name on the front of their jerseys, it is still our duty to "vote with our dollars" so to speak. If we're not happy with the product being given to us, it is our duty to voice our displeasure. That's my opinion anyway.
     
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