Plausible CJ trades that don't involve the Sixers?

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    I would think our leader and pg would have to something to say about that? Truth is, it's been the Dame/CJ hype for along time. Even Dame has said on many occasions they communicate and know when one or the other needs to take over. I love Dame but he's also the leader of this team and should help get the ball spread around. Thats the job of any pg regardless if pro or amateur.
     
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    Is Dame supposed to punch out CJ when CJ goes MeJ?
     
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    He should. I think the only way to solve it now is by trade. I also think if that doesn't happen Norm & Nurk will bring up spreading the ball around.
     
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    I think y'all are being a smidge unfair to CJ. CJ can create his own shot as well as any Blazer. He's a one-on-one player. He has an assortment of moves to rival anyone - his hindrance his his average size and athleticism, not his offensive game. He has historically been a very efficient scorer... hasn't he? This year, less so, but...

    Everybody thinks we can just slot in Ant or Norm and get CJ's scoring, but CJ can get a bucket in cases where others can't.
     
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    the NBA average TS% has been running in the 55-58% range the last few seasons. CJ's career mark is .552. He was better than that last season and in 2016-17, but worse than the average in 5 of his 7 seasons as a starter, including this season

    so no, he's not "very" efficient at all. He's average efficient, at best. In his 7 seasons, he's ranked 7th, 4th, 8th, 10th (Aminu was better), 10th, 5th, & 9th on the Blazers in TS%. That's an average ranking of 7.6th. And that's for a guy who shoots almost as much as Dame. Making it worse is that CJ is usually elite in spot-up shots. Last season he was in the 98th percentile and spot-up was 15% of his offense. And last season he shot 70% on catch-&-shoot opportunities, and that was 18% of his offense...

    so if you delete those two play types, his TS% would be well below average on his supposed strength...getting buckets on his own. He's always been significantly overrated just because he can create his own shots. It doesn't matter how clever a player is at creating shots if he has a mediocre conversion rate, and that's CJ. A lot of players can create their own shots. Dame has always had a much lower assisted FG rate than CJ has, and his career TS% of .583 compared to CJ's .552. Making that even more dramatic is that we know for the entirety of his career as a starting SG CJ has been drafting off of the defensive attention Dame gets. CJ always draws the weaker perimeter defenders because of Dame, yet he can't do any better than average in terms of efficiency

    so again, no...Portland isn't getting some good scoring efficiency from their starting SG. What they are getting is volume shooting and usage with a large helping of ball-hog which makes CJ's raw scoring numbers look better than they really are. And that's attached to poor defense on the other end
     
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    Wow. This makes me realize that Stotts was actually a coaching genius, given how he coaxed a top 3 offense out of one good player and one inefficient volume shooter. He really should go in the coaching hall of fame.
     
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    Only if every other Blazer gets to punch out Dame when he goes olé on defense.
     
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    it helped that CJ missed half the year
     
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    So all we have to do to succeed is hire a coach who's got the nads to nail CJ's ass to the bench?
     
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    CJ takes about the same amount of shots as Dame so far this year but he's shooting better 2&3 FG%. Combined FGA's they are comparable to some of the other guard tandems at the high end of FGA's.
     
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    Dame has been worse than CJ; more is expected of Dame.
     
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    c'mon now. The Dame/CJ pairing isn't just the 20 games of this season under new foul rules and a new ball. There were 450 games they played as starters before this season, and that's what I was talking about
     
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    Dame has been worse?

    PER: CJ 16.9....Dame 18.9
    TS%: CJ .529....Dame .529
    assisted FG rate: CJ 43.0%....Dame 30.3%
    Assist Rate: CJ 19.8%....Dame 34.7%
    Turnover Rate: CJ 9.2%....Dame 11.2%
    assist/turnover rate: CJ 2.15....Dame 3.10
    winshares/48: CJ .078....Dame .112
    +/- Per 100 Poss: CJ -3.9....Dame +6.4

    I agree more is expected of Dame; he's established his level of play (as has CJ) and he's paid more money. But I don't agree Dame has been worse than CJ. He certainly was earlier in the season, but he's caught up and passed CJ in most areas. Dame is still a long ways below his norms for sure, but there have been some signs he's getting back some of his rhythm. CJ really isn't too far at all below his norms. He's actually at them if you allow for a little variance

    I guess if your grading each player on a curve of themselves, Dame has been further below his curve than CJ.
     
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    i kept it up until the Blazers finally brought in Melo! Quite the long Super Blockbuster effort on that one! LOL
     
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    If the Nuggs haven't given up on the season but want to replace MPJr's scoring...
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    I don't think Nuggets would like to put together the most expensive team of all time while 2/4 their max players will sit the season out. Next year that Porter's contract kicks in will be a nightmare.
     
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