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Agreed.

 

I think we both know those statements weren’t made in the context of “let’s overthrow the government.” Especially after you consider his pleads for people to remain peaceful in the very same address. He was clearly referring to the upcoming legal battles and the “fight” to prove his belief that there was some type of meddling.
The argument has to at least start from some place of honesty or it will just never go anywhere.

 

Then what in the hell do you think Trump's message to them was all about?...and you claim that Trump "pled" for the insurrectionists to remain peaceful?


...and you have the gall to use the term "honesty"?...and you have the gall to say that I'm the one who's a "troll"?...please.

 

His belief there was some sort of election meddling that took place and the ensuing legal battles to come. Pretty straightforward.

That’s just a fact. That is a thing that happened. Not sure how to explain that to you any differently.

Correct.

 

Sorry, but those "millions" you referenced are in the minority. And to claim that he "pled" for the insurrectionists to be peaceful is at best a gross exaggeration.

 

lol...no, that would make you and your führer both woefully wrong. His vanity and/or beliefs about the election does not justify or excuse him for what he did and what he will have to answer for.

 

I firmly believe he was trying to get them to the capital and in a frenzied state.

I think he kept saying "peaceful" because he was coached to do so and was covering his own ass.

I firmly believe he deliberately understaffed the capital police.

I firmly believe he had set up the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and others to get the crowd further into a frenzy and lead them to attacking the capital building.

If he didn't want them to be violent he would have made an appearance and told them to stop. They went there and did exactly what he wanted. Only they were less capable than he hoped.

 

But you aren’t able to prove that in any way shape or form.

 

Common sense "trumps" idiocy every time.

 

That is an opinion and you are entitled to it.

I would ask you to look into this a little deeper. Trump requested four days prior the national guard be present on the 6th but the request was denied. Capitol police corroborate this as well as the fact that Nancy Pelosi herself held off the deployment of NG for over an hour during the entering of the capitol by protesters.

There isn’t evidence for that but you can believe it.

Again, speculation. If you want to point out things could’ve been handled better though you won’t get a ton of pushback from me.

 

Noted.

 

I don’t pay for WP and the apnews link doesn’t load, but here’s an official capitol police timeline of events in pdf form:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf

 

Yes. And it's backed up by his speech and his refusal to publicly call the crowd off, even when his own people were pleading with him to do so.

See Sly's links on this.

Key Trump Allies Were Talking to Proud Boys Before Jan. 6, Committee Says

I think it was handled exactly as Trump intended to handle it.

I fully believed Trump was going to be just a bumbling idiot of a president when he was elected. He was far more dangerous than I thought he would be. I'd love nothing more than to just believe he handled things poorly.

It was far worse than that.

 

You don't have to pay for The Washington Post to read that. I don't and it loaded fine.

But just in case, here is an archived copy.

https://archive.fo/kREH3

And an Archived copy of the AP piece as well... though, the original loaded for me.

https://archive.ph/ROLhE

 

A 13 year old boy was hospitalized with a skull fracture after being assaulted by a grown man for failing to remove his hat during playing of national anthem. The man was ordered to pay medical expenses and sentenced to 10 years probation, despite already being on 10 years probation for an unrelated assault.

He said he was doing what Trump would want.