Scoot and Sharpe in the backcourt?

[STOMP]

As you know, I think they trade regardless. IF Scoot is there at 3 they should take him and trade Dame

well yeah, but I posted what I think will happen not what I'd do. If I was the GM, I'd accept reality and embrace the next era instead of blowing smoke up the fanbase's butt that the team is anywhere close to contending.

I expect them to try to split the baby... and that always works out so well

STOMP

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I am trying to find teams that have contracts and picks that might work, these are the only ones that kind of seem like they have it and maybe have some sort of stuff that might be attractive for Dame.

Miami wil have to be Lowery, Duncan and picks, Brooklyn would be around Simmons and the phx picks

What about Herro?

 

[andalusian]

What about Herro?

The assumption is that if the blazers move dame it's to build with scoot and shae in the back court, they don't need herro in this case. They also have ant yet, so why herro?

 

[SheedSoNasty]

The assumption is that if the blazers move dame it's to build with scoot and shae in the back court, they don't need herro in this case. They also have ant yet, so why herro?

Because he’s probably the best value that Miami could provide while keeping Butler and Adebayo.

 

[Pinwheel1]

What about Herro?

Yep, this is the type of shit return for Dame that I am expecting..... an overpaid player who is good, but whose skills can be found without trading your leader for.

 

[andalusian]

Because he’s probably the best value that Miami could provide while keeping Butler and Adebayo.

Nah, for Portland, the best value is the picks. They are looking into the future when Shae and Scoot are more seasoned, not for someone else that will take time from their on-court development. Herro will require additional moves to find him a home as there is no need for him on the roster of a rebuilding team that has Shae, Scoot and maybe even Ant. Robinson does not take time from them. Lowry can be a backup PG and veteran presence. Herro directly compete with them for play time. That's why he is not the guy in this scenario.

 

[wizenheimer]

Nah, for Portland, the best value is the picks. .

so, it's Lowry + Robinson + picks....am I reading this right?

Dame can't be traded till July 10 and definitely won't ask to be traded until he sees a chunk of the off-season, after the draft. So the 2023 Miami pick is pretty much not part of this idea. In fact, it wouldn't be part of it. That leaves Miami first's from 2024 and beyond

well, Miami has traded away their 2025-->2026 first(s). So they can't trade their 2024 first because of the Septien rule. Meaning the earliest unencumbered first round pick they have is 2028.

so the best trade from Miami would be Lowry + Robinson + 2028 unprotected + 2029 pick swap + 2030 unprotected. Two first's and a swap 5-7 years from now. And this is assuming that Pat Riley is dumb enough to trade unprotected 1st's that far out, which he probably isn't

am I missing something? this is supposed to be a 'good' Dame trade?

 

[andalusian]

so, it's Lowry + Robinson + picks....am I reading this right?

Dame can't be traded till July 10 and definitely won't ask to be traded until he sees a chunk of the off-season, after the draft. So the 2023 Miami pick is pretty much not part of this idea. In fact, it wouldn't be part of it. That leaves Miami first's from 2024 and beyond

well, Miami has traded away their 2025-->2026 first(s). So they can't trade their 2024 first because of the Septien rule. Meaning the earliest unencumbered first round pick they have is 2028.

so the best trade from Miami would be Lowry + Robinson + 2028 unprotected + 2029 pick swap + 2030 unprotected. Two first's and a swap 5-7 years from now. And this is assuming that Pat Riley is dumb enough to trade unprotected 1st's that far out, which he probably isn't

am I missing something? this is supposed to be a 'good' Dame trade?

The assumption was that the 2023 pick is part of it and Portland likes it, and as far as I know they already traded the 2025 pick to OKC if it falls in the 15+ range, and 2026 if it does not convey, so it is actually 2027 the first they can trade because the 2025/2026 is basically the same pick they traded, if I understand it correctly.

If this is enough or not, that's up to Portland, but it sure seems like a reasonable start. Maybe Portland also requires more and it's up to Miami to figure out how to flip Herro for additional picks, but I just don't see why Portland would want Herro in this scenario.

I am not saying that's a great trade for Portland, but it is hard to do one that is good for both Dame and Portland. That's probably one of the options that kind of helps both.

 

[Pinwheel1]

so the best trade from Miami would be Lowry + Robinson + 2028 unprotected + 2029 pick swap + 2030 unprotected. Two first's and a swap 5-7 years from now. And this is assuming that Pat Riley is dumb enough to trade unprotected 1st's that far out, which he probably isn't

Yeah, this is a good example of why I am ok with trading Dame if he wants to go, but not excited about it either.
Hell, we can all barely agree on who at #3 player will help us be a contender in the future.....let alone future draft picks that
might not even be in the lottery if Dame goes to a good team.

 

[wizenheimer]

The assumption was that the 2023 pick is part of it and Portland likes it, and as far as I know they already traded the 2025 pick to OKC if it falls in the 15+ range, and 2026 if it does not convey, so it is actually 2027 the first they can trade because the 2025/2026 is basically the same pick they traded, if I understand it correctly.

If this is enough or not, that's up to Portland, but it sure seems like a reasonable start. Maybe Portland also requires more and it's up to Miami to figure out how to flip Herro for additional picks, but I just don't see why Portland would want Herro in this scenario.

"assumption" is a tricky tool

my assumption is that Dame isn't going ask out until, at the earliest, he sees how the off-season unfolds. Which would be toward the end of July. And the Blazers won't be discussing any trades for Dame until he asks out. So I just don't give any credibility, at all, to trade ideas for Dame that include the 2023 draft. Completely unrealistic

as for the Stepian rule, the pertinent part is this:

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the 1980 trade mentioned above) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

When dealing with protected picks, the Stepien rule is interpreted to mean that a team can't trade a pick if there is any chance at all that it will leave the team without a first round pick in consecutive future drafts.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

and the encumbrance Miami has is:



so then, in mid-late July, and beyond, if Portland is discussing a Dame trade with Miami, the Heat's 2025 and 2026 first's are out of the conversation. OKC owns them both even though they will only get one or the other

and that means Miami can't trade their 2024 first. And since OKC might get Miami's 2026 first, the heat can't trade their 2027 first. So the only open Miami picks would be the three first's from 2028-2030. Meaning the best Portland can do, pick-wise from Miami is two first's and a swap 5-7 years from now (this might be where somebody tries to argue Miami can trade their 2027 first contingent on yadayada, but that's meaningless)

and I really don't believe Pat Riley would trade unprotected 1st's that far out

 

[Whyachi]

What about Herro?

bad at defense, high volume 3-point shooting. Pair Tyler up with Ant for an ultra wimpy version of Steph & Klay. Blazers can tank away for picks, while still keeping their fantasy stats quota.

Lowry would be part of the Dame to Miami trade, and we would hear at nauseam about Kyle being a veteran presence bringing championship level experience to the young & bouncy Blazers team.

As long as Portland doesn't hamstring themselves by trading their best rookies, future picks... tank away.

Watch out Spurs, your super Wemby team might have some real competition to get next year's #1 pick.

 

[Natebishop3]

Taking on Herro would basically give us two guys that we need to trade who play very similarly lol

 

[Labinot41]

 

[Graduate32]

"assumption" is a tricky tool

my assumption is that Dame isn't going ask out until, at the earliest, he sees how the off-season unfolds. Which would be toward the end of July. And the Blazers won't be discussing any trades for Dame until he asks out. So I just don't give any credibility, at all, to trade ideas for Dame that include the 2023 draft. Completely unrealistic

as for the Stepian rule, the pertinent part is this:

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the 1980 trade mentioned above) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

When dealing with protected picks, the Stepien rule is interpreted to mean that a team can't trade a pick if there is any chance at all that it will leave the team without a first round pick in consecutive future drafts.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

and the encumbrance Miami has is:

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so then, in mid-late July, and beyond, if Portland is discussing a Dame trade with Miami, the Heat's 2025 and 2026 first's are out of the conversation. OKC owns them both even though they will only get one or the other

and that means Miami can't trade their 2024 first. And since OKC might get Miami's 2026 first, the heat can't trade their 2027 first. So the only open Miami picks would be the three first's from 2028-2030. Meaning the best Portland can do, pick-wise from Miami is two first's and a swap 5-7 years from now (this might be where somebody tries to argue Miami can trade their 2027 first contingent on yadayada, but that's meaningless)

and I really don't believe Pat Riley would trade unprotected 1st's that far out

This is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things and gets to your italicized portion, but I also would imagine that the Heat could work out a deal with OKC to simply unprotect the pick in 2025, especially since it will be unprotected in 2026 anyway. If the Blazers required that 2027 pick vs. the 2028 pick and wanted an additional swap that would be one way to do it... but again... we are discussing semantics here. It's still not an ideal package.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Just so we’re clear, I would not be excited about having Miami as a trade partner for Dame. If forced, I’d want as much talent, expiring contracts and picks for him. Herro, while not a good fit, might have more value in a future deal.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Those are great numbers, ones he probably would not duplicate this year playing with non-tanking starters. But then again we don't need him to if we get a decent forward to play with him and Dame and Grant and Nurk. He just needs to keep improving by the end of the season.