Time to trade CJ

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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  2. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I've been hearing this since CJ began his first year with the Blazers. Don't you guys ever give up?
     
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    I'd swap CJ for Hayward in a heartbeat. And Boston likely wouldn't.
     
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    No but CJs defense does.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Very funny.

    I figure that hearing the same complaint thousands of times is a major form of whining.
     
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    I think Olshey is committed to testing out his planned rotation of Dame, CJ, Hood, Collins and Nurk. I'd be surprised if any moves involving any of those guys are made until we see that unit on the floor in the fall. Of course, if a home run opportunity involving a star came along, I think that those plans could be disrupted, but other than that, I don't see him just shuffling players.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Cautiously optimistic Leeds United Fan

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    It's all very well to say "trade CJ" but you have to come up with plausible trades to teams that could use him.
    I think Philly probably could, but would we want Tobias Harris? If you think CJ's contract is bloated...
    Likewise Orlando with Aaron Gordon. But there's a reason they don't want him.
     
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    A Magic fan posted this suggestion over at the 'other' forum.
    https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1927146

    POR sends: CJ McCollum
    ORL sends: Evan Fournier, DJ Augustine, Mo Bamba

    Evan has a $17m Player Option that he likely opts out of to become a FA. Also, DJ would be a FA at the end of the year.

    I'd personally be a fan of not receiving DJ back in the trade. Instead of DJ, get the rights to Chuma Okeke.
    Orlando would send: Evan Fournier, Mo Bamba, Chuma Okeke

    It'd be a risk to re-sign Evan to a reasonable deal, but I'd expect his next deal will be about $20-22m per season.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Cautiously optimistic Leeds United Fan

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    Okay, but we're risking a lot for Bamba and are we sure he's not a bust?
     
  10. Neil O. Shyster

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    Great... so Neil is essentially swapping career year Whiteside for Nurk off a major injury. Then relying on Hood to come back from an injury that no player ever comes back from as good as before. And relying on Collins to take some mythical leap when he was averaging 9 points and 4 rebounds before injury this year. All while having no cap room or assets to improve, Dame and CJ hit their 30’s, and other teams in the league keep getting better.
     
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    CJ is this teams new Evan Turner...
     
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    Norman Powell, Terence Davis and a first for CJ. Toronto is sufficiently under the cap enough for it to work.
     
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    you must be talking about that trade in July? I'd rather have McCaw than Davis although Davis is a good 3 point shooter
     
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    It's always try changing the coach first... Always. When Neil gave these contracts out he saw Steph Curry & Kley Thompson. You know the splash brothers 2.
     
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    Dame and Trent SB's 2.1
     
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    Except he missed a couple of big items. Klay has 3+ inches on CJ and they are LIGHT YEARS apart on defense.
     
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    I love how we've gone in six weeks from wanting to make Trent a throw-in in every trade to now thinking he's better than CJ.

    Trent's a good role-player. CJ's a guy defenses have to prepare for.

    CJ's not a perfect player, obviously, but he's a lot better than he gets credit for. It's not his fault they offered him a huge contract. Fact is he is one of the craftiest shot-creators in the NBA, and that has a value that people -- particularly stat-heads -- don't appreciate. He can create a good shot for himself on almost any possession against any defender off the dribble. There's aren't a ton of players who can do that consistently.

    CJ's issues are that he gets too caught up in going through all of these dribble moves to make the highlights rather than breaking down his defender and shooting when he has his first best chance. For as good as he is at getting defenders off-balance, he fades away too much; with his game, he should be living on the foul line, but he's avoiding contact instead of drawing it, and he has a body that can take contact and still get a decent shot up if he wants to do it. Of couse, he also gets the blinders on going through all these crossovers and dance moves and forgets he is drawing extra defenders, so someone is open for a shot, too.

    He can be just as creative a passer as he is a shot-creator if he doesn't get himself into shot-only mode, which, unfortunately, happens often enough to drive a lot of us nuts.

    The problem is getting someone of equal value in trade, because you not only have to get someone who can be a great scorer but someone who can handle. I think saying Heyward for CJ is laughable. So now Dame has to handle the ball even more, and create for his teammates even more. CJ has a great deal of value, and, to make it harder, he's probably even more valuable to the Blazers than any other team.

    The ideal scenario, IMO, would be someone the Blazers don't make the playoffs and get lucky and get a top three pick. You use the pick on Edwards or Ball and hope they can come in and start from Day 1. They won't be CJ, but they would be good; I particularly like Edwards ultimately as a superior Tyreke Evans power guard. Then you could trade CJ with a quality 3 man who might not be quite as valuable but would be good enough to make the team better as a whole. That's not going to happen, but it's fun to dream.
     
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    I’d really like to see a lineup of:

    Dame / Simons
    Beal / Trent Jr. / Hoard
    Ariza / Hood / Little
    Collins / Mello / Draft pick
    Nurk / Whiteside / Biggie

    what do we need to add to CJ in order to get Bradley Beal?

    Does CJ and our 2020 #1 get it done?
     
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    Wow. I know you’re obsessed with hating and trading CJ, but that’s just an off the charts ridiculous comparison.
     
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    Anthony Edwards would be a worse fit with Dame than CJ, Simons, or Trent. He can't shoot at all and is a high volume scorer with a similar assist % to CJ. I know he's a freshman with big upside but that would be a disaster. Ball is going to need the "ball" in his hands to be effective and unless Stotts finally implements Dame playing off ball it wouldn't be a great fit either.


    What we should do if we move up is trade down a couple spots and pick up an extra asset (like the Luka Doncic/Trae Young trade or the Markelle Fultz/Jayson Tatum trade) and take Toppin or Avdija.
     
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