Bogus! We are quietly doing Philly's lame "process"

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  1. Whyachi

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    Cronin has 4 draft picks this year. It's like mighty morphin power rangers teaming up to form 1 gigantic beast.
     
    Whyachi, Apr 15, 2024
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    No. I think we were clearly trying to tank both of those years after the start of the seasons didn't go that well.
     
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    I don't think we ever had a chance with Dame other than the year Wes got hurt.

    Give me losses and high draft picks over a play in treadmill team.
     
    JFizzleRaider, Apr 15, 2024
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    We were always going to get the losses and draft picks. They were coming.

    We didn't have a chance except when we had Aldridge and Wes. Yet we had a TON of great games and moments we would have missed out on if we'd just given up and started tanking when we lost them.

    You're supposed to try and win in sports. There is only one championship game. Not trying to win the others is distasteful, IMO.
     
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    beast crnjo Well-Known Member

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    It's nice if you a lucky enough to get a top pick when there is some obvious top talent. But those don't come around very often, and with the worst record you still only have a 14% chance at #1.

    The Blazers could have also drafted Giannis, Jokic, Mitchell or Bam...if you continue to suck that lock, it probably means you're not hitting on your picks.
     
    beast crnjo, Apr 16, 2024
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    They actually didn't draft Fultz. They drafted Tatum and then traded him for Fultz.
     
    AmirIcon, Apr 16, 2024
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    Blazers didn't draft Roy or LaMarcus.

    Did we draft Dame? Or not since it was the Nets pick traded to us a few months prior.

    So if it's traded a couple months prior it becomes our pick, but traded days or minutes prior it's not our pick?
     
    SharpesTriumph, Apr 16, 2024
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  8. julius

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    Yes. Because the Blazers made the pick for Damian, vs the Wolves drafting Roy and the Bulls drafting LaMarcus (they both could've drafted someone else, and weren't drafting him for the Blazers as part of an agreement).

    iirc, the Blazers caught wind of the Wolves and....was it the Celtics? deal, and drafted Foye out from under them.

    Forced their hands and the Blazers got Roy out of the deal.
     
    julius, Apr 16, 2024
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    Hinkie's process yielded an MVP with the 3rd pick, an all NBA player drafted #1 who also was a chosen to multiple time all nba defensive first teams, and another #1 pick.

    That they screwed up Fultz v Tatum doesn't necessarily diminish the merits of this approach. A healthy team comprised of Tatum/Simmons/Embiid is a perennial title contender.

    I wish we actually did what they did instead of jumbled mess of the "process" we have been doing the past three years.
     
    illmatic99, Apr 16, 2024
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  10. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The 76ers had a 4 year stretch where they won 19, 18, 10 and 28 wins.

    I'm not sure how that's better than the "jumbled mess" of what the Blazers have done. They lost Embiid for 2 seasons and went full on ugly tanking for those 2 years.

    Started one year 0-17 and at one point was 4-28.

    The next year they started the year 0-18 and at one point was 1-29 (they ended the season with 10 wins that year).

    the first year they had Joel they started 4-18 (and he only played 31 games).

    That was some ugly ball that makes things here look Rosie.
     
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    yep....I've been a broken record harping about the Blazers being addicted to fence-straddling. That was Olshey's M.O. from 2012--.on, and it's looking like it's Cronin's as well. The fact that all 6 of Brogdon-Timelord-Ant-Grant-Ayton-Thybulle are still on this 21 win team is dumb-ass-fence-straddling on steroids

    seems like there are only 2 explanations for what Cronin is doing:

    1) he intends to try and win with those 6 veterans and an Ant-Grant-Ayton core...which shows he doesn't know WTF he's doing

    or

    2) he doesn't know WTF he's doing

    (there may be other explanations but they would mess up my punchline)
     
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    3) He can't get decent value for those players that shouldn't be part of this rebuild...which shows he doesn't know WTF he's doing?
     
    PtldPlatypus, Apr 16, 2024
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  13. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Or maybe he trades several of those players this summer?
     
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    4) or the 2025 trade deadline

    5) or next summer

    6) or not
     
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  15. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    He has almost completely flipped the roster in 2 years.

    Why would he suddenly be scared of making trades?
     
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  16. julius

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    Considering he didn't massively over pay for some trade scenarios suggested (which wasn't helped by the spin by some in the media about how great the value of the 3rd pick was), so he's clearly not about to just make stupid trades for the sake of trades.

    He did get decent value for Nurk and Dame (esp with how DA ended the season better).
     
    julius, Apr 16, 2024
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    This must happen, IMO. Not next summer.
     
    Phatguysrule, Apr 16, 2024
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    Isn't there a 90% required against salary cap teams must meet, each year? Also, teams are only able to have two players at a time on rookie extensions?
    Teams have had to pay certain players extra to meet the minimum. Seems JJR was a guy that was paid a bundle for one year for team to meet minimum?
     
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  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    It can't happen next summer. Brogdon only has one more year left.
     
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    They could extend him... All I'm saying is, don't. Don't wait until the last minute and lose them for nothing.
     
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