What should be done with Anfernee?

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Yeah, I know already what most of you are going to say, but it's pretty clear that he has genuine talent, what's not clear is if he'll ever marshal it to be useful in the NBA.

The few times he's looked genuinely promising for us have been when he's been let off the leash and basically played the whole game. It seems to take him time to get in a groove. We also need to stop pretending that he's a PG. Granted, he's a fuck-ton closer to a PG than Gary Trent, who is basically a short stretch 4, with the dribbling skills to match, but that doesn't mean he should be tasked with running a team, because that's clearly not in his wheelhouse. He should be allowed to create for himself and occasionally dish to someone on the perimeter when the defense collapses. He's a poor-man's Allen Iverson, and the Sixers only started to use him right when they got Eric Snow and slid Iverson over to the 2.

But right now, even with CJ out, we have Hood and Trent slotted in at the 2, and because Simons can dribble better than either of them, he has backup PG duties, which is like using a sports car to tow a caravan. It's bad for all concerned. And he just seems to be regressing and losing any confidence he ever had.

EITHER: start him at the 2 and play him a bunch of minutes
OR: cut bait and see if there's some other GM who sees something in him like Isiah Thomas saw in Jermaine O'Neal. At this point I'd be happy to package him for George Hill. But I have this sneaking suspicion that if he ever finds the right environment and organization, they could develop him into at least a Lou Williams type.
 
The trouble with option 1, starting him at the 2, is that you really need to pair him with a REALLY good defender, and Dame sure ain't that. Somewhere down the line a Halliburton-Simons backcourt might be interesting.
 
but it's pretty clear that he has genuine talent,

But I have this sneaking suspicion that if he ever finds the right environment and organization, they could develop him into at least a Lou Williams type.

sorry for the edits but I'm not sure what you mean by "genuine talent"...? Seems to me that genuine talent in a guard would prove itself before the 3rd season

and I have too say, setting his floor as Lou Williams seems extremely optimistic
 
sorry for the edits but I'm not sure what you mean by "genuine talent"...? Seems to me that genuine talent in a guard would prove itself before the 3rd season

Usually, yes. And why "guard"? Is that just so I don't bring up Jermaine O'Neal?

and I have too say, setting his floor as Lou Williams seems extremely optimistic

Notice I said "could". But Lou Will took a long time, and bounced around A LOT before he became Mr. 6th Man.
 
Usually, yes. And why "guard"? Is that just so I don't bring up Jermaine O'Neal?
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I said guard, because the only couple of instances of players completely upgrading their play in their 3rd and 4th season I can think of are big men
 
Right now I'd probably go

Dame
Trent
Hood
Roco
Kanter

With Simons/DJJ/Melo/Giles off the bench. We really need a backup point guard right now. Simons aint it.
 
Talking of Lou Williams, here are his stats:
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I said guard, because the only couple of instances of players completely upgrading their play in their 3rd and 4th season I can think of are big men
CJ saw a good bump, and not just in the "counting stats" because of playing time.
Steve Nash made huge strides after a few seasons in the league.
Chauncey Billups made a huge leap after being in the league for a little while.

Those are 3 off the top of my head, if I wanted to dive in and look for more examples, I am sure there are plenty of guys finally figuring it out after a few seasons, coinciding with increased time. There's also a ton that fizzle out and never amount to anything. I'm certain Simons isn't turning into Nash or Billups, but that doesn't mean he's destined for China either.
 

CJ saw a good bump, and not just in the "counting stats" because of playing time.
Steve Nash made huge strides after a few seasons in the league.
Chauncey Billups made a huge leap after being in the league for a little while.

Those are 3 off the top of my head, if I wanted to dive in and look for more examples, I am sure there are plenty of guys finally figuring it out after a few seasons, coinciding with increased time. There's also a ton that fizzle out and never amount to anything. I'm certain Simons isn't turning into Nash or Billups, but that doesn't mean he's destined for China either.

I get what you guys are saying and I'm not disputing that it has happened. I'm guessing Simons will get a major chance to prove himself over the next 2 months...Olshey has made sure of that

just a 'yeah, but' comparison of some of the players you mentioned, 1st--->2nd--->3rd year progressions:

Brandon Ingram:

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Pascal Siakam:

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Oladipo:


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Jimmy Butler:

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Steve Nash (missed most of his 3rd season from injury):

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and then, Simons:

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what Simons has done, so far, over his first 3 seasons sure looks different than those other guys. Many of whom, by the way, can/did play great defense and weren't undersized SG's, At comparable stages, Simons was younger than any except for Ingram though.
 

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IMO, he has an extremely flawed shot. He gathers the ball in front and shows, then pushes some rather than using his arm and wrist. He's had the ball stolen several times from showing the ball out front.
 
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what Simons has done, so far, over his first 3 seasons sure looks different than those other guys. Many of whom, by the way, can/did play great defense and weren't undersized SG's, At comparable stages, Simons was younger than any except for Ingram though.
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It looks kind of similar if you read it backwards
 
Play him a lot and see if his performance improves?

Crazy, I know, but it you all are planning on "blowing it up" anyway, seems like this fits the plan.
 
Start him, trial by fire. This season is fucked might as well play him , Nas and Giles a lot. Playing Trent goes without saying
 
Play him. If he plays terrible, send him to Siberia at the end of the season.
 
As far as what I think we should do with Simons, we should try to turn him and draft picks into Shake Milton. The guy plays and defends both guard positions, he can bring the ball up and set up an offense and he makes open threes. He would not only be our back up guard now but also could be in the future.

Side note: If Philly doesn't want Ant but will take picks we can still do that and be under the luxury tax threshold.
 
Start Trent and Kanter.

Simons can have backup minutes.

If NAS gets healthy he has opportunity.

Sign a 2 way like Adams from the playoffs.

Possibly dump or trade Collins if it gets us a useful vet minimum or two.
 
Dame / Simmons
Trent / Hood
DDJ / Little
Melo / RoCo
Kanter / Giles

Or:


Dame / Simmons
Trent / Hood
DDJ / Little
RoCo / Melo
Kanter / Giles
 
Dame / Simmons
Trent / Hood
DDJ / Little
Melo / RoCo
Kanter / Giles

Or:


Dame / Simmons
Trent / Hood
DDJ / Little
RoCo / Melo
Kanter / Giles
If this is a question, I'll go with option B. I know you are big on Melo but I think RoCo is going to start hitting his threes, his career numbers are proof enough for me. So I'll take a 3 and D guy over an iso and very little D guy. I also realize that this is a depth chart but I still doubt that Nas gets much time. I think Hood will get most of the minutes behind both Trent and DJJ.
 
As far as what I think we should do with Simons, we should try to turn him and draft picks into Shake Milton. The guy plays and defends both guard positions, he can bring the ball up and set up an offense and he makes open threes. He would not only be our back up guard now but also could be in the future.

Side note: If Philly doesn't want Ant but will take picks we can still do that and be under the luxury tax threshold.
Philly won't trade him for anything other than an instant upgrade.
 
If they trade he would be a throw in and not a main piece of the trade. This reminds me when they draft teilfer out of high school and you know that didn't pan out neither. Simons is not the player that Olshey thinks he is and probably will never be that player.
 
If they trade he would be a throw in and not a main piece of the trade. This reminds me when they draft teilfer out of high school and you know that didn't pan out neither. Simons is not the player that Olshey thinks he is and probably will never be that player.

Simons might not be the player Olshey tried to pass him off as, but he's definitely not Sebastian Telfair.

Maybe having a coach who plays Simons to his strengths would be a good start. It's similar to how PJ tried to force James Robinson to be a PG, when he clearly wasn't (not saying Simons clearly isn't a PG like Robinson wasn't, but his strengths aren't being a PG first and foremost. But having him just shoot 3's after waiting in the corner aren't taking advantage of his skillset).

And yes I know his position was listed as a PG, but James Robinson wasn't a true PG.
 
Simons might not be the player Olshey tried to pass him off as, but he's definitely not Sebastian Telfair.

Maybe having a coach who plays Simons to his strengths would be a good start. It's similar to how PJ tried to force James Robinson to be a PG, when he clearly wasn't (not saying Simons clearly isn't a PG like Robinson wasn't, but his strengths aren't being a PG first and foremost. But having him just shoot 3's after waiting in the corner aren't taking advantage of his skillset).

And yes I know his position was listed as a PG, but James Robinson wasn't a true PG.

You're right, Telfair was a much superior NBA player his first few seasons. We dont know if Simmons will be worthy of a roster spot as Telfair was.
 
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