What will it take for Chauncey to get fired?

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  1. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Respect your opinion, though I stand by my opinion there are some aspects where you can expect positive results from change and there are other areas where you shouldn't.

    As I said during Stotts' tenure, I felt the main issue was the roster, not the coaching. If Stotts had to coach this awful roster, we'd still be awful. Though when he was fired, we weren't rebuilding, and we were being told the roster was better than it was. My concern was ownerships approach to buy off on the coach of the team and not the creator of the roster being the main issue. In firing Stotts my concern was that it was going to result in a delay in addressing the main issue of roster construction.

    It's probably best Stotts is gone at this point because there is no doubt in my mind people would be pointing to these 25 win seasons as proof that Stotts was actually a bad coach when he was taking Mo Harkless, Aminu, and Kanter to the WCF.
     
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    Yeah... he should've been relying on Mo Harkless and Aminu instead.
     
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    He wasn't the one who brought up Stotts.

    Yes, they didn't run pick n Roll when Dame came down and went 1v1. Offenses too reliant on iso+PnR are easier to defend in the playoffs. I'm rewatching every offensive possession from game 1 and all I see is an extremely basic offense that's easy to defend. Dame carried it. Anyway, that's over now. Chauncey has his own set of issues. But that doesn't mean we should've kept the old coach forever.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Because replacing Stotts with our current coach was an exceedingly bad idea.

    Stotts got more than anybody should have expected out of those rosters.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Top 5 offense and top 10 defense when he had the horses.

    Stotts is a good coach. Maybe not a great coach, but certainly a good coach. We replaced him with a much lower quality coach.

    Bad move. Plain and simple.

    Now, if we could have brought in a top 10 coach to replace Stotts that could be worth it. I could get behind that. Not a rookie coach with almost no experience.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    They didn't choose the right coach to replace him with. But it was also time to move on. Both can be true.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    It was time to move on if there were a better coach to replace him with.

    I don't think that was the case.
     
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    I think there was if the organization was willing to hire a more unknown name like a Chris Finch or a Mark Daigneault. Who knows what other coaches are out there that would excel that just need the chance. Unfortunately, Olshey went with "his guy", and fell into the trap that many teams do in highering a former high-caliber PG and thinking their playing ability and locker room leadership translates to coaching ability.
     
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    Nobody ever said Portland never ran PnR or went 1v1, all teams do that. In that Golden St series, we were NOT spamming PnR or 1v1 at an abnormal rate for the league, let alone "pick and roll after pick and roll." We do agree Dame carried that team. Thank goodness we weren't trying to decrease his usage and give it to Harkless, Aminu, and the other guys who were our starters, but out of the league shortly after.

    I also agree we shouldn't keep any coach forever. I can't imagine anyone has suggested that though. Have they?
     
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    Keep proving you're not a good debater by saying things I didn't say.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Terry Stotts being a good coach and him being the reason why we lost in the playoffs aren't facts that are mutually exclusive.
     
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    Agreed, however, I think I would have hired one of those guys to put on the staff first. Honestly, I probably would have started talking to Stotts about moving up in the organization and finding his replacement.
     
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    How can you say that when you are the one claiming things happened that didn't?
     
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    ^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^
     
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    You're already incredibly annoying. One of those.

    Bottom line, Terry KEPT putting Dame in positions to be trapped. I see you didn't bring up any highlights from the NO series. We played them differently.
     
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    off the blame Stotts topic for a sec..

    Billups runs drop zone defense:
    In the 21 Blazer victories, opponents averaged a pathetic 27% 3pt shooting.

    Billups runs crash offensive glass:
    Only the crusty Utah squad gives up more fast break points then Portland.

    defensive structure glitches, offensive set liabilities, benching starters, hiring players that fake injuries, topped off with a stack of 10 rookie/sophmore reserves.

    Many of this year's Blazer wins have almost been blind luck. Hoping opponents have off nights is not a good formula.
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    it's not all doom & gloom, the Blazers will continue to draft top rookies. The rebuild is proceeding accordingly.

    Billups has very high BB IQ. I'm pretty sure Coach can change his schemes as the talent levels improve in Portland.
     
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    Well on the bright side. He getting some experience now.
     
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    Very true. I'm not claiming he was good in the playoffs. But I really don't think any coach in the league would have taken those rosters further.

    If we aren't committed to giving the guy a roster that can win a title I'd rather just keep a quality guy like Stotts around. Should have fired Olshey and brought Stotts back, IMO.
     
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    I don't believe that's the case at all, especially after rewatching the first half of Game 1. They shouldn't have tried to decrease his usage, they should've tried to manufacture opportunities to attack a defense that wasn't fully set and waiting for him and used his gravity to spring other guys for easy shots just like Golden State does with Steph. Rodney Hood and Seth Curry were too of the best offensive bench pieces in the league. Getting Aminu and Harkless higher-quality shots around the rim wouldn't have been a bad thing considering guys had to take some shots...

    Some act like Stotts should be going on year 13 as coach next season. That amount of tenure for a coach without a single conference finals win is unheard of.
     
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    I don't know man, they were in Games 2 through 4 of that WCF running a defense they hadn't played all season long. Sometimes I wonder if they would've been better enough at running something other than drop if they had done so earlier that season. Could've tipped the scales in a couple of those games and made it a series.

    What's funny is a lot of Chauncey's stuff looks very similar to Stotts'. Tons of drop, not much ball movement, spamming Jerami Grant mid-post isos (just like Carmelo), too much halfcourt and not enough transition offense...
     

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