Zach Collins 2nd Round

[Orion Bailey]

Denver benched Will Barton in favor of Torrey Craig after starting Barton the first couple games against the Spurs.

Will Barton only played in 43 games this season. Apples to Oranges.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Will Barton only played in 43 games this season. Apples to Oranges.
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Barton started all but 5 of the games he played, just like Moe. The fact that he wasn't healthy all season doesn't change the fact that he was a starter when healthy.

Until the playoffs.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Barton started all but 5 of the games he played, just like Moe. The fact that he wasn't healthy all season doesn't change the fact that he was a starter when healthy.

Until the playoffs.

I thought that he was starting due to another player being injured. If not, my bad.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I still stand by my premise though . You don't change a third of the starting lineup that has worked all season because of two bad games in one of the most unique series we have seen, with the matchup and the OT.

 

[handiman]

No its not. You are talking offence. IM talking defense.

Those two that put us in a hole were super tired. after a four OT game. Are you saying they now permanently suck because of it? You are gonna turn your back on the guys that got us this far just because of a bad match up and them being exhausted?

That is whats silly to me, but to each thier own....

In your scenario, then Denver should have benched Millsap too right? Cause he sucked the last two games as well.

1) I'm talking offense AND defense. Neither could guard Millsap's shadow at the start of the games, but Harkless came back with inspired defense in the second half after being benched, so it obviously didn't hurt his confidence on that end, either.

2) Why were Moe and Aminu that much more exhausted than their teammates? Or all of Denver's lineup, for that matter? And why did it last multiple games? That's quite a stretch.

3) Our starting forwards have been our glaring weakness for several seasons now. We found significantly better options in the playoffs. It's not about turning our back on them, it's about changing their role so we aren't at such a disadvantage. They can each play half a game, subbing for each other so 40% of our lineup isn't a liability.

4) Millsap only sucked the last two games because Collins was guarding him instead of Aminu's lame attempts! That's an even bigger stretch than #2.

 

[Orion Bailey]

1) I'm talking offense AND defense. Neither could guard Millsap's shadow at the start of the games, but Harkless came back with inspired defense in the second half after being benched, so it obviously didn't hurt his confidence on that end, either.

Harkless has been noted to have confidence issues and clock out. Remember last year?

2) Why were Moe and Aminu that much more exhausted than their teammates? Or all of Denver's lineup, for that matter? And why did it last multiple games? That's quite a stretch.

We hit the wall before they did. Aminu and Harkless are our defensive guys. Defense is about effort and wears you out quicker.

3) Our starting forwards have been our glaring weakness for several seasons now. We found significantly better options in the playoffs. It's not about turning our back on them, it's about changing their role so we aren't at such a disadvantage. They can each play half a game, subbing for each other so 40% of our lineup isn't a liability.

True, but significantly better? I doubt that.

4) Millsap only sucked the last two games because Collins was guarding him instead of Aminu's lame attempts! That's an even bigger stretch than #2.

Collins handling him couldnt have anything to do witgh Millsap also being tired could it?

Listen, IM not denying we need upgrades there. IM denying that its such an issue we should change our lineup now.

 

[DDolla]

Zach Collins growing up in front of our eyes. If we can’t get that PF next year, he gets my vote to play with Nurk.

 

[BonesJones]

And I'm saying a lineup change now wont improve the team. It will weaken it. It will create doubt in some players.

Did it create doubt in the 2nd half of game 7? Nope.

 

[JDC]

Big series for Zach. Could see him getting 30+ minutes in some games.

Should be able to stay out of foul trouble a bit better with no real big for GS (I don't think they'll be able to play Bogut much).

It'll be interesting to see how he handles himself emotionally.

Klay, KD and Draymond did a lot of talking towards the end of the last game in Portland so he's definitely coming into this with some extra motivation (not that he he needs it). Just hope channels it the right way because we need him.

 

[blue9]

It'll be interesting to see how he handles himself emotionally.

Klay, KD and Draymond did a lot of talking towards the end of the last game in Portland so he's definitely is coming into this with some extra motivation (not that he he needs it). Just hope channels it the right way cause we need him.

Everyone will need to constantly be in his ear to make sure he doesn't go over the line. I want him going right up to that line without crossing it, while trying to get Klay/Draymond to cross it. Don't get the last word in - bask in the fact you're under their skin.

 

[handiman]

Harkless has been noted to have confidence issues and clock out. Remember last year?

He's moody as a starter or as a reserve. It's a constant struggle to keep him engaged, no matter his role. That's not a good quality in a starter deep in the playoffs. You want to roll with guys you know will produce.

We hit the wall before they did. Aminu and Harkless are our defensive guys. Defense is about effort and wears you out quicker.

So, you're saying Moe was tired in the first half as a starter, but totally rejuvenated in the second half as a reserve? Makes perfect sense.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He's moody as a starter or as a reserve. It's a constant struggle to keep him engaged, no matter his role. That's not a good quality in a starter deep in the playoffs. You want to roll with guys you know will produce.



So, you're saying Moe was tired in the first half as a starter, but totally rejuvenated in the second half as a reserve? Makes perfect sense.

We will have to agree to disagree. disruption is disruption and can have waves. Hood isn't a for sure and I stand my ground that Stotts wanted hark and Aminus D with the starting unit more than he wanted it with the bench.
Its not that I don't get your reasons why, I just think the timing is not good and its not a sure bet to be a better thing. It could just as easily have a negative impact, and Id prefer to ride what got us here. Matchups are matchups and in a series you have to adjust, like Stotts did. But this is a new matchup and I think you go back to square one.

 

[handiman]

Its not that I don't get your reasons why, I just think the timing is not good and its not a sure bet to be a better thing.

That's 100% what coaching is, or should be when done well. You make the difficult decisions based on the best likelihood of a positive outcome. Stottts coaches out of fear of being second guessed.