Notice ZACH COLLINS TO MISS REMAINDER OF 2020 PLAYOFFS

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  1. GDiama

    GDiama Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but there was 0 chance he ever getting that type of contract. It's not his injuries that will give him Ed Davis money instead of Whiteside money.
     
  2. riverman

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    sure....but that's not why I made the comparison..I agree he was never going to get that big payday but his injury history will make him more affordable than if he were an ironman
     
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    Not to be pedantic, but that's not really opposite, is it? My friend played on it, got it treated twice and was back from it twice in the same season.
     
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    Well, my son's teammate never sat out and never needed surgery through a season of soccer and basketball is the difference.
     
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    I get that. Just saying it's not the opposite, just apparently a somewhat lesser severity. In neither case did the injury keep them out for the season.
     
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    Food for thought for the Zach haters (who probably have a strong correlation with the CJ haters, not so ironically): Our offense sputtered all year when he missed the majority of it, was historically good during bubble play when he returned, and has been pretty inefficient so far against LA with him sitting out.

    Stats have a very difficult time capturing a player's impact on how teammates play, even more so when it affects rotations and schemes, and how the team plays when he's not even on the floor.
     
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    Trade him while he's still has good value and on his rookie contract. Zach's too injury prone.
     
  8. julius

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    He had two random injuries, and that's all he's had. It's not like other players haven't had injuries that curtailed their careers (Dame in college, CJ in the NBA). But yeah, 2 injuries, totally unrelated injuries, are "too injury prone".
     
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    I don't think Zach is as good as some people believe, and I'm skeptical about the upside those people see

    that said, I'd agree that those two injuries don't necessarily mean he's injury prone. The shoulder injury is not that uncommon, although the severity of the injury was much less common. The stress reaction could easily have been from a situation that was very much like a new season without the training camp to get in game shape.

    but both injuries entail some legitimate long range concerns. Shoulder injuries probably rank high in the potential for recurring-injuries realm. And a stress fracture in an ankle certainly brings up the possibility of structural weakness. But I guess it's better than a stress reaction in the foot. However, that both injuries actually required surgery is another concern

    Zydrunas Ilgauskas missed 230 games in his first 5 seasons because of foot & ankle injuries, then became Mr. Durable considering he was 7'3:

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    Yeah it’s way too early to call Collins injury prone. He will get stronger because of these surgery. Though I am on the train that if we trade him it must be for a solid forward. But if we keep him I prefer to have him back up Nurkic until he can for one prove that he can stay on the court long enough due to foul or injury. And second that his game has develop enough where he’s consistently knocking down shots at a relatively high rate. Then at that point we can discuss him being a starter at the 4
     
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    The reason for the shoulder surgery was to make repairs to keep it from becoming a recurring problem. Zach could have continued playing this season after the shoulder injury healed up, but there was a good chance it would have happened again. Now, after the surgery and physical therapy, his chances of a new shoulder injury aren’t greater than anyone else.
     
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    1. He's injury-prone because he's so thin and knockable-downable.

    2. He's foul-prone because he's so thin and weak, which also makes him the victim of steals.

    3. He's not a starter in the long term, because he can't shoot, and can't even use his height to make successful dunks when defended.
     
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    If Olshey wanted a big so bad that draft how the hell did he grade Zach freaking Collins over Bam Abedeyo is beyond me
     
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    Collins' fouls per 36 minutes haven't improved in 3 seasons: 4.6, 4.6, 4.5. In college, they were 5.6. Ouch.
     

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