Notice ZACH COLLINS TO MISS REMAINDER OF 2020 PLAYOFFS

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blazerkor said:
See, I think this is just something that is unfortunate. I know Zach hasn't been durable up to this point but I don't know if any of his injuries are symptomatic of him having an injury plagued career. Don't get me wrong, I'm not super attached to him but I don't think this thing with his ankle decreases his long term value to the team in any significant way.
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Both Dame and CJ had broken foot issues in College. This is just a stress issue. Most normal people simply live through it. But he is a professional athlete that is 7 foot tall and 250 lbs. Gotta remember how young he is.
 
CupWizier said:
Where did I say that's what you said? It was a question. He was able to recover and get healthy to finish his career after missing so many games as Hill had 4 consecutive seasons where he averaged less than 12 games per season (missed one complete season). I would call that injury prone. Collins has missed most of one season, He hardly has that much of a history. The point is, players who have a history of injuries can recover and can have a long career still but I see the likes of you and others essentially writing him off.
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bullshit

try and find where I have "written him off because of his injuries"

all I'm arguing is that he's just a role player at this point. Harkless level. And that he should be given the role of starting PF & PFOTF because he earns it (which he hasn't) on the floor, not by default because Olshey clears the roster of any significant competition for the starting PF minutes
 
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Mediocre Man said:
But are they wrong?
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They are neither right nor wrong because they're simply exclamations - the equivalent of saying "JESUS CHRIST!" Think of them as cries for help or the whining of a dog with a thorn in its foot.
 
blazerkor said:
See, I think this is just something that is unfortunate. I know Zach hasn't been durable up to this point but I don't know if any of his injuries are symptomatic of him having an injury plagued career. Don't get me wrong, I'm not super attached to him but I don't think this thing with his ankle decreases his long term value to the team in any significant way.
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Exactly as there just isn't enough of a sample size to declare him injury prone. Maybe he will be, but that won't be determined for another couple years
 
According to Quick, he's been having issues since the Clippers game.
 
kjironman1 said:
I have read 6 - 8 weeks.
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I had a teammate in HS who had a stress fracture in his foot. He came back early in the season and reinjured it -- stress fractures always were problematic because you thought you could play on them and then reinjured yourself. Anyway, he had surgery and was back by the end of the season.
 
Weynen is the new Collins now. Let’s work on his development

Trade Collins for a bag of chips
 
I think Zach is a keeper...injuries he's just gone through are going to make him an affordable contract next time around...he'll get Ed Davis money instead of Hassan Whiteside money
 
CupWizier said:
Exactly as there just isn't enough of a sample size to declare him injury prone. Maybe he will be, but that won't be determined for another couple years
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Doesn't the team need to figure that out by the end of his rookie deal? I don't understand why teams give extensions to players they consider a question mark.
 
PCmor7 said:
I had a teammate in HS who had a stress fracture in his foot. He came back early in the season and reinjured it -- stress fractures always were problematic because you thought you could play on them and then reinjured yourself. Anyway, he had surgery and was back by the end of the season.
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So.... stress fractures can be stressful!
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
If you can re-sign Zach for $8mill per year for 4 years I think you have to go for it.
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I wouldn't go that high for an extension. Make him prove it next season then pay him. If he proves he is worth more then great.

I dont want another Meyers Leonard contract for the next 5 years on potential we've never seen.

Nor do I want a huge portion of the cap on multiple centers when there are plenty of good vet minimum ones. Center is the deepest position in the NBA.
 
riverman said:
I think Zach is a keeper...injuries he's just gone through are going to make him an affordable contract next time around...he'll get Ed Davis money instead of Hassan Whiteside money
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Which is what his actual value is. Maybe it's even more than his value but lets say 20M/3 years is fair.

Hassan got 100M in his last contract, not sure why you are even bringing that up. OK Olshey is a fool, but that much?
 
GDiama said:
Which is what his actual value is. Maybe it's even more than his value but lets say 20M/3 years is fair.

Hassan got 100M in his last contract, not sure why you are even bringing that up. OK Olshey is a fool, but that much?
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brought it up to make the comparison between Hassan and Ed Davis contracts
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Doesn't the team need to figure that out by the end of his rookie deal? I don't understand why teams give extensions to players they consider a question mark.
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Not really as it comes down to what his next contract will be. If it's a team friendly contract you jump on it.
 
PCmor7 said:
I had a teammate in HS who had a stress fracture in his foot. He came back early in the season and reinjured it -- stress fractures always were problematic because you thought you could play on them and then reinjured yourself. Anyway, he had surgery and was back by the end of the season.
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I have the opposite story. My son played soccer with a kid who played with a stress fracture and never missed a game. He also played basketball and never missed a game and soccer and basketball are probably the hardest on feet and ankles. Just shows all injuries aren't necessarily the same and each individual heals differently.
 
riverman said:
brought it up to make the comparison between Hassan and Ed Davis contracts
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Yeah but there was 0 chance he ever getting that type of contract. It's not his injuries that will give him Ed Davis money instead of Whiteside money.
 
GDiama said:
Yeah but there was 0 chance he ever getting that type of contract. It's not his injuries that will give him Ed Davis money instead of Whiteside money.
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sure....but that's not why I made the comparison..I agree he was never going to get that big payday but his injury history will make him more affordable than if he were an ironman
 
CupWizier said:
I have the opposite story. My son played soccer with a kid who played with a stress fracture and never missed a game. He also played basketball and never missed a game and soccer and basketball are probably the hardest on feet and ankles. Just shows all injuries aren't necessarily the same and each individual heals differently.
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Not to be pedantic, but that's not really opposite, is it? My friend played on it, got it treated twice and was back from it twice in the same season.
 
PCmor7 said:
Not to be pedantic, but that's not really opposite, is it? My friend played on it, got it treated twice and was back from it twice in the same season.
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Well, my son's teammate never sat out and never needed surgery through a season of soccer and basketball is the difference.
 
CupWizier said:
Well, my son's teammate never sat out and never needed surgery through a season of soccer and basketball is the difference.
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I get that. Just saying it's not the opposite, just apparently a somewhat lesser severity. In neither case did the injury keep them out for the season.
 
Food for thought for the Zach haters (who probably have a strong correlation with the CJ haters, not so ironically): Our offense sputtered all year when he missed the majority of it, was historically good during bubble play when he returned, and has been pretty inefficient so far against LA with him sitting out.

Stats have a very difficult time capturing a player's impact on how teammates play, even more so when it affects rotations and schemes, and how the team plays when he's not even on the floor.
 
Trade him while he's still has good value and on his rookie contract. Zach's too injury prone.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Trade him while he's still has good value and on his rookie contract. Zach's too injury prone.
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He had two random injuries, and that's all he's had. It's not like other players haven't had injuries that curtailed their careers (Dame in college, CJ in the NBA). But yeah, 2 injuries, totally unrelated injuries, are "too injury prone".
 
julius said:
He had two random injuries, and that's all he's had. It's not like other players haven't had injuries that curtailed their careers (Dame in college, CJ in the NBA). But yeah, 2 injuries, totally unrelated injuries, are "too injury prone".
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I don't think Zach is as good as some people believe, and I'm skeptical about the upside those people see

that said, I'd agree that those two injuries don't necessarily mean he's injury prone. The shoulder injury is not that uncommon, although the severity of the injury was much less common. The stress reaction could easily have been from a situation that was very much like a new season without the training camp to get in game shape.

but both injuries entail some legitimate long range concerns. Shoulder injuries probably rank high in the potential for recurring-injuries realm. And a stress fracture in an ankle certainly brings up the possibility of structural weakness. But I guess it's better than a stress reaction in the foot. However, that both injuries actually required surgery is another concern

Zydrunas Ilgauskas missed 230 games in his first 5 seasons because of foot & ankle injuries, then became Mr. Durable considering he was 7'3:

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Yeah it’s way too early to call Collins injury prone. He will get stronger because of these surgery. Though I am on the train that if we trade him it must be for a solid forward. But if we keep him I prefer to have him back up Nurkic until he can for one prove that he can stay on the court long enough due to foul or injury. And second that his game has develop enough where he’s consistently knocking down shots at a relatively high rate. Then at that point we can discuss him being a starter at the 4
 
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