MOAR CURRY!

[Rastapopoulos]

I know that he's currently day-to-day, but I have been frustrated that Seth Curry is not getting more minutes. Just plug him in as the starter at SF! At least give it a shot. After all:
https://fansided.com/2018/11/16/fun-fact-friday-best-shooter-curry-family/
and

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Or, if you don't want to disrupt a bench that's working great, play him exactly as many minutes as Evan Turner.
The only possible reason not to is if he's still on a minutes restriction because of coming back from injury. He's our best +/- guy (per 48):

 

[Rastapopoulos]

(This is part of the reason I didn't like the Stauskas signing, coming less than a week after the Curry signing. Sure Stauskas is taller, but not enough so he's really any better at SF, and it just means they compete for minutes. Sign a REAL SF.)

 

[Strenuus]

I like having both.

Sauce can put it on the floor and create.

Curry can be the guy Sauce passes to.

We need both.

 

[kjironman1]

Yep having both is a good thing for day just like today. Curry OUT!

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's a long season. Can't have too much depth and you can never have too much shooting.

Besides, I know Turner is getting most of the 2nd unit ball handling duties, but in terms of roster spots, I viewed Stauskas as a Connaughton replacement and Curry as a Bazz replacement.

BNM

 

[hoopsjock]

I know that he's currently day-to-day, but I have been frustrated that Seth Curry is not getting more minutes. Just plug him in as the starter at SF! At least give it a shot. After all:
https://fansided.com/2018/11/16/fun-fact-friday-best-shooter-curry-family/
and

This is another example of the stats not telling the whole story. Curry hasn't been "right" so far this year. It's not that he doesn't have talent but I think he's still getting used to playing again after being out a year. Based on play alone I would actually say he needs to be playing less right now, not more, but I also recognize that getting minutes is probably the best way for him to get going later on in the season. Letting him take his lumps early on is a trade off I'm willing to take plus he's shooting 50% from 3 so he has some value. As for starting him at SF, last game Aminu was guarding LeBron so that would leave Curry on Kuzma. Do you like that matchup for him?

(This is part of the reason I didn't like the Stauskas signing, coming less than a week after the Curry signing. Sure Stauskas is taller, but not enough so he's really any better at SF, and it just means they compete for minutes. Sign a REAL SF.)

Stauskas agreed to sign several days before Curry did so I don't get this statement at all.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Tonight:
Curry: +13 in 23 minutes
Dame: -13 in 41 minutes
CJ: -8 in 36 minutes
ET: -3 in 27 minutes

I rest my case.

 

[BBert]

Curry sucks

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Curry sucks

But apparently has the magic ability to make the other team suck more while he's on the court.

 

[Scalma]

Tonight:
Curry: +13 in 23 minutes
Dame: -13 in 41 minutes
CJ: -8 in 36 minutes
ET: -3 in 27 minutes

I rest my case.

Your case sucks.

 

[BBert]

Curry road Meyers Leonard's back for that "+13"

 

[Scalma]

Curry’s play makes me miss Napier. FML.

 

[Jon]

Curry road Meyers Leonard's back for that "+13"

Well, THERE'S a sentence i never thought i'd hear...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Curry’s play makes me miss Napier. FML.

You can always watch the Nets. But better not blink because he doesn't play that much.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Curry rode Meyers Leonard's back for that "+13"

Really? The Meyers who was on the floor for the third quarter meltdown?

 

[Scalma]

You can always watch the Nets. But better not blink because he doesn't play that much.

He plays about the same amount of minutes as Curry yet averages almost double the points. Also more assists, steals, better TS %, a better ORTG, DRTG, and a PER of 15 compared to Curry’s wonderful 5.5.

I rest my case.

 

[BBert]

Really? The Meyers who was on the floor for the third quarter meltdown?

No not that Meyers, silly. The Meyers who was on the floor in the first half when Curry single-handedly carried the team to a plus 13

 

[BBert]

And Meyers wasn't responsible for the third quarter meltdown, either. He didn't do much, but he's not the one who tanked the quarter. The starters plus Turner let the Clips back into the game, and the starters plus Turner continued their shitty play in the third quarter.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Really? The Meyers who was on the floor for the third quarter meltdown?

Was he?

3rd Quarter:
0:650 - Leonard Substitution replaced by Collins: Blazers winning 62-58
02:17 - Aminu Substitution replaced by Leonard: Blazers losing 76-68

So, in the 4 minutes and 33 seconds Meyers was on the bench during the third quarter, the Blazers went from winning by 4 to losing by 8, a -12 point swing. Seems like the bulk of the 3rd quarter meltdown came with Meyers on the bench.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

No not that Meyers, silly. The Meyers who was on the floor in the first half when Curry single-handedly carried the team to a plus 13

So Meyers is great when he's carrying Curry, but with Curry off the floor suddenly Meyers is shit? Clearly Curry is some kind of lucky mascot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Was he?

3rd Quarter:
0:650 - Leonard Substitution replaced by Collins: Blazers winning 62-58
02:17 - Aminu Substitution replaced by Leonard: Blazers losing 76-68

So, in the 4 minutes and 33 seconds Meyers was on the bench during the third quarter, the Blazers went from winning by 4 to losing by 8, a -12 point swing. Seems like the bulk of the 3rd quarter meltdown came with Meyers on the bench.

BNM

My point: Curry has by far and away our best +/-. Much better than Leonard, for example. This would require enormous contortions to explain in terms of Curry somehow freeriding off the ACTUAL +/- kings (whose REAL higher score is hidden somehow). I don't understand why he isn't given more minutes. If he is, then we can see if it's a fluke, and if it is, then fine, stick him back on the bench. But what I'm seeing is the team rolling with him playing and then Stotts bringing back the starters at some arbitrary minutes mark and our flow being shattered. Stotts tried Curry as a fifth starter in pre-season ONCE - and it was a rousing success. Does he really think we're benefiting more by playing Layman than Curry?

Maybe Harkless will get his groove back and all this will be moot, but while we're playing shit, let's try this.

 

[Scalma]

My point: Curry has by far and away our best +/-. Much better than Leonard, for example. This would require enormous contortions to explain in terms of Curry somehow freeriding off the ACTUAL +/- kings (whose REAL higher score is hidden somehow). I don't understand why he isn't given more minutes. If he is, then we can see if it's a fluke, and if it is, then fine, stick him back on the bench. But what I'm seeing is the team rolling with him playing and then Stotts bringing back the starters at some arbitrary minutes mark and our flow being shattered. Stotts tried Curry as a fifth starter in pre-season ONCE - and it was a rousing success. Does he really think we're benefiting more by playing Layman than Curry?

Maybe Harkless will get his groove back and all this will be moot, but while we're playing shit, let's try this.

Do you have any argument besides plus minus, or are you going to ignore everything else that points to Curry being dogshit?

 

[Scalma]

Among rotation players, Curry is last in VORP, BPM, WS/48, and PER. And the one thing he was supposed to be good at? Yeah, he’s ninth among rotation players in true shooting percentage.

He’s been a disaster. Maybe its just rust, but to argue that he DESERVES more minutes is ridiculous. If we continue hovering around .500, there’s also zero reason to play him over either of the rookies.

 

[Boob-No-More]

My point: Curry has by far and away our best +/-. Much better than Leonard, for example. This would require enormous contortions to explain in terms of Curry somehow freeriding off the ACTUAL +/- kings (whose REAL higher score is hidden somehow). I don't understand why he isn't given more minutes. If he is, then we can see if it's a fluke, and if it is, then fine, stick him back on the bench. But what I'm seeing is the team rolling with him playing and then Stotts bringing back the starters at some arbitrary minutes mark and our flow being shattered. Stotts tried Curry as a fifth starter in pre-season ONCE - and it was a rousing success. Does he really think we're benefiting more by playing Layman than Curry?

Maybe Harkless will get his groove back and all this will be moot, but while we're playing shit, let's try this.

Single game +/- is pretty much a worthless sample size. Too many other variables. It's impacted by who the other 9 players are on the floor and what they do. If one team, or even one player gets hot, some guy standing around doing nothing benefits.

For the season, Seth Curry is at:

-2.2 OBPM
-1.2 DBPM
-3.4 BPM

Even that is a relatively small sample size for such a complex, multi-variate stat, but it's a MUCH better indication of his contributions than a single game statistical anomaly.

And, I think when you look at his season as a whole, you will answer your own question about why he isn't playing more.

BNM

 

[hoopsjock]

My point: Curry has by far and away our best +/-. Much better than Leonard, for example. This would require enormous contortions to explain in terms of Curry somehow freeriding off the ACTUAL +/- kings (whose REAL higher score is hidden somehow). I don't understand why he isn't given more minutes. If he is, then we can see if it's a fluke, and if it is, then fine, stick him back on the bench. But what I'm seeing is the team rolling with him playing and then Stotts bringing back the starters at some arbitrary minutes mark and our flow being shattered. Stotts tried Curry as a fifth starter in pre-season ONCE - and it was a rousing success. Does he really think we're benefiting more by playing Layman than Curry?

Maybe Harkless will get his groove back and all this will be moot, but while we're playing shit, let's try this.

Hmmmm, you say you watch the games but.....

 

[BBert]

So Meyers is great when he's carrying Curry, but with Curry off the floor suddenly Meyers is shit? Clearly Curry is some kind of lucky mascot.

I don't think the two things have anything to do with each other. You think there is a Curry cause and effect. I guess we disagree.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Do you have any argument besides plus minus, or are you going to ignore everything else that points to Curry being dogshit?

Explain the +/- then. He has a magic effect on the other team's scoring when he's on the floor?

 

[Scalma]

Explain the +/- then. He has a magic effect on the other team's scoring when he's on the floor?

He’s the only bench guy that consistently plays with Dame, Nurk, and CJ. Product of his environment.

 

[hoopsjock]

Explain the +/- then. He has a magic effect on the other team's scoring when he's on the floor?

Because +/- is a team stat. For example, last night Curry was in the game when Dame had 7 points on two consecutive possessions. If Curry only played that minute he'd be a plus 7 for the game even though he literally would have no effect on the outcome. That might be an extreme example but if you honestly watched the games not one person would guess that he has such a high +/-.