Politics A Case Of Bad Timing?

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https://www.businessinsider.com/pro...i-for-diluting-impeachment-with-usmca-2019-12

"Congrats to house democrats for handing trump a nice bipartisan victory on the same day they announced their articles of impeachment," said Jamelle Bouie, a New York Times columnist. "Definitely not a muddled message."

"House Dems were elected on a wave of anti-Trump sentiment and are now diligently working to ensure his reelection and send the message to the electorate that impeachment is just meaningless partisan theater," said Adam Serwer, a writer at The Atlantic.

Serwer added: "Either the Republic is in danger and impeachment is necessary, or it's not that big a deal and congress can do business as usual."

Some argued that Democrats were fulfilling the "Dems in disarray" stereotype and mistakenly looking to appease voters in swing states.

"Nothing more perfectly embodies the Democratic party than announcing articles of impeachment and a huge deal with the President on his single biggest priority on the same day," said Chris Hayes, the progressive MSNBC host.

Will Stancil, a researcher at the University of Minnesota Law School, called Pelosi's strategy "insane."

"This isn't 12-dimensional chess, it's just House Democrats spinning wildly in place, trying to square two incompatible facts: their irresistible desire to look sober and bipartisan by always compromising [and] the absolute objective unacceptability of Trump," he tweeted. "And the result is lunacy."

Brian Beutler, the editor-in-chief of the progressive media outlet Crooked Media, called Pelosi's strategy "a stunning betrayal."

"If you kill the deal you can say it was a shitty deal, like everything else Trump has done and that you'll do better," he tweeted. "If you pass the deal you tell voters yeah president deals actually did a good deal just like he promised. It's insane."

 

[barfo]

Kind of a stupid argument. The impeachment has literally nothing to do with NAFTA.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Democrats are too busy with the impeachment goose chase right now to even think about legislating on anything remotely important.

It’s funny, any legitimately impeachable offense committed by Trump (selling arms to Saudi Arabia to commit a genocide in Yemen, maybe?), Democrats can’t touch because they’re guilty of either supporting it or they’re complicit. They HAVE to resort to bullshit like questionable Ukraine phone calls.

Imagine, me and you both murder someone. Then I taddle on you for jaywalking on the way out of the crime scene. That is the relationship between Democrats and Republicans.

 

[yankeesince59]

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Strenuus]

Democrats are too busy with the impeachment goose chase right now to even think about legislating on anything remotely important.

It’s funny, any legitimately impeachable offense committed by Trump (selling arms to Saudi Arabia to commit a genocide in Yemen, maybe?), Democrats can’t touch because they’re guilty of either supporting it or they’re complicit. They HAVE to resort to bullshit like questionable Ukraine phone calls.

Imagine, me and you both murder someone. Then I taddle on you for jaywalking on the way out of the crime scene. That is the relationship between Democrats and Republicans.

Kinds funny. Considering all the bills they passed.

Wanna try another argument thatll fail too?

 

[jonnyboy]

Kinds funny. Considering all the bills they passed.

Wanna try another argument thatll fail too?

Yeah, you’re right. Shits really getting done.

 

[MarAzul]

Kind of a stupid argument. The impeachment has literally nothing to do with NAFTA.

barfo

Well they do.
Nancy brought both up on the floor on the same day.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, you’re right. Shits really getting done.

It is. House has been passing bills like a mother fucker.

The Republican Senate is sitting on stacks of bills with their thumbs up their asses.

The Democrats are the only ones trying to work bipartisan.

Take your hypocrisy elsewhere

 

[Chris Craig]

Well they do.
Nancy brought both up on the floor on the same day.

It's called working across the aisle. The Republicans shoukd try it sometime.

 

[MarAzul]

It's called working across the aisle. The Republicans shoukd try it sometime.

Very Good Chris!
Now when they (the dems) have something I want, I would highly recommend the effort.
The shit they have brought lately is appalling. Excepting passing USMCA of course.

 

[barfo]

Well they do.
Nancy brought both up on the floor on the same day.

Oh, good point. I guess since I had a burger for lunch that very same day, my burger is also related to impeachment.

Also, the impeachment announcement wasn't on the floor. Dunno about the NAFTA one.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Oh, good point. I guess since I had a burger for lunch that very same day, my burger is also related to impeachment.

Also, the impeachment announcement wasn't on the floor. Dunno about the NAFTA one.

barfo

Right!
Seems like some sort of barf cute.
I assume you know USMCA is a replacement of NAFTA.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pro...i-for-diluting-impeachment-with-usmca-2019-12

 

[barfo]

I assume you know USMCA is a replacement of NAFTA.

Yes, it's basically the same thing, with a different name. A few tweaks here and there.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Democrats are too busy with the impeachment goose chase right now to even think about legislating on anything remotely important.

It’s funny, any legitimately impeachable offense committed by Trump (selling arms to Saudi Arabia to commit a genocide in Yemen, maybe?), Democrats can’t touch because they’re guilty of either supporting it or they’re complicit. They HAVE to resort to bullshit like questionable Ukraine phone calls.

Imagine, me and you both murder someone. Then I taddle on you for jaywalking on the way out of the crime scene. That is the relationship between Democrats and Republicans.

The House sends legislation to the Senate but the Senate is too busy confirming kids to the federal courts to look at any of it.

 

[Lanny]

Yeah, you’re right. Shits really getting done.

Not the fault of the House.

 

[Lanny]

Democrats are too busy with the impeachment goose chase right now to even think about legislating on anything remotely important.

It’s funny, any legitimately impeachable offense committed by Trump (selling arms to Saudi Arabia to commit a genocide in Yemen, maybe?), Democrats can’t touch because they’re guilty of either supporting it or they’re complicit. They HAVE to resort to bullshit like questionable Ukraine phone calls.

Imagine, me and you both murder someone. Then I taddle on you for jaywalking on the way out of the crime scene. That is the relationship between Democrats and Republicans.

I'll say one thing, that's one hell of an imagination.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yes, it's basically the same thing, with a different name. A few tweaks here and there.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

It is. House has been passing bills like a mother fucker.

Like renewing the unconstitutional patriot act? They made sure to get that one done. Isn’t it great when they “work across the aisle”?

 

[yankeesince59]

Gotta love the notion/narrative from some Trump followers that the GOP has consistently taken the high road on legislation and that the Dems are consistently blocking legislation.

 

[Chris Craig]

Like renewing the unconstitutional patriot act? They made sure to get that one done. Isn’t it great when they “work across the aisle”?

You lost one argument, so you are trying to make another to divert. I don't agree with the patriot act. A bill originally put in place by republicans. I am sure republicans voted for it too. They are just trying to pretend they have one more bad thing on the Dems. The bill extended it 3 months, not indefinitely. I am sure the Dems will work on fixing it in the next session. They are busy impeaching Trump.

The original argument you guys brought up was the dems aren't doing anything. They are and have been. The senate is sitting on 400 bills passed by the house. The republicans are the ones not doing shit except whining. They have their heads up Trumps ass like the barnacles on a ships hull. McConnell won't even allow any bills to be heard in the senate unless Trump says so.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You lost one argument, so you are trying to make another to divert. I don't agree with the patriot act. A bill originally put in place by republicans. I am sure republicans voted for it too. They are just trying to pretend they have one more bad thing on the Dems. The bill extended it 3 months, not indefinitely. I am sure the Dems will work on fixing it in the next session. They are busy impeaching Trump.

The original argument you guys brought up was the dems aren't doing anything. They are and have been. The senate is sitting on 400 bills passed by the house. The republicans are the ones not doing shit except whining. They have their heads up Trumps ass like the barnacles on a ships hull. McConnell won't even allow any bills to be heard in the senate unless Trump says so.

Throwing a bunch of bills at the senate that they know the Senate won't pass isn't exactly what I'd consider, "doing something", all they really looking for is their own version of one more bad thing against the republicans. You don't really have true "bi-partisan" and across the aisle bills until their willing to work together to create bills that are compromises, which no one is willing to do that right now, which may or may not be ok (not everything SHOULD be a compromise). It just feels like politicians doing politics, all of them are really just looking for ways they can make their competition look bad.

I'm sure there are some bills in there that are somewhat bi-partisan, but you really can't deny that in large part if a republican is caught working with democrats or vice versa their basically considered traitors at this point. They've all totally forgotten that the country should be, before their party.

Edit: As an analogy, if my wife wants ideas for a meal, and all I give her are ideas of things I know she hates, is that really an attempt to help her come up with a meal? No, it's basically ignoring her thoughts and her desires and in some ways spiting her, just so I can say oh I gave you ideas, I did my job. There are ways to pretend you're doing, "your part" when you aren't.

 

[Chris Craig]

Throwing a bunch of bills at the senate that they know the Senate won't pass isn't exactly what I'd consider, "doing something", all they really looking for is their own version of one more bad thing against the republicans. You don't really have true "bi-partisan" and across the aisle bills until their willing to work together to create bills that are compromises, which no one is willing to do that right now, which may or may not be ok (not everything SHOULD be a compromise). It just feels like politicians doing politics, all of them are really just looking for ways they can make their competition look bad.

I'm sure there are some bills in there that are somewhat bi-partisan, but you really can't deny that in large part if a republican is caught working with democrats or vice versa their basically considered traitors at this point. They've all totally forgotten that the country should be, before their party.

Edit: As an analogy, if my wife wants ideas for a meal, and all I give her are ideas of things I know she hates, is that really an attempt to help her come up with a meal? No, it's basically ignoring her thoughts and her desires and in some ways spiting her, just so I can say oh I gave you ideas, I did my job. There are ways to pretend you're doing, "your part" when you aren't.

And that is what they are doing with these latest bills is comprising. Something the republicans refuse to do. And this thread is mocking them for compromising.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And that is what they are doing with these latest bills is comprising. Something the republicans refuse to do. And this thread is mocking them for compromising.

I realize that and I'm not mocking them, but my point is that a lot of the things the Dems are doing they know have no shot of getting through the Senate, they're doing many of those things just to make the R's look bad. R's did many of the same types of things to Obama, and the dem's. I wish politics wasn't just a "game" to these people...

 

[yankeesince59]

And that is what they are doing with these latest bills is comprising. Something the republicans refuse to do. And this thread is mocking them for compromising.

^^^ Yup, If there's ever been a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"...this is it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

^^^ Yup, If there's ever been a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"...this is it.

Not to excuse any of it, but at this point, that pretty much seems like everyday politics.

 

[Chris Craig]

I realize that and I'm not mocking them, but my point is that a lot of the things the Dems are doing they know have no shot of getting through the Senate, they're doing many of those things just to make the R's look bad. R's did many of the same types of things to Obama, and the dem's. I wish politics wasn't just a "game" to these people...

The Republicans aren't going to put through anything the Dems in the house pass regardless. The people the Dems represent have different interests than the interests of the people the Republican's represent. Bills are going to be at odds. Tired of this fuck you middle school kid game our elected officials are playing with one another. Both sides need to work together, not against. At least the Dems are trying to compromise. It has mostly always been that way. The Dems end up the one compromising while the Republicans rarely ever do, and the Dems look like the fools?

This thread was created to mock the Democrats compromising. Yes, they are impeaching Trump and yes they are working on bipartisan bills with the Republicans simultaneously. They are doing their jobs. I can't say as much for the Republicans.

 

[yankeesince59]

Not to excuse any of it, but at this point, that pretty much seems like everyday politics.

..."modern-day politics"...and the GOP putting party before country. I'm by no means a liberal but in this case IMO, they are justified in holding Trump accountable.

 

[Lanny]

Like renewing the unconstitutional patriot act? They made sure to get that one done. Isn’t it great when they “work across the aisle”?

Well, it takes three to tango.

 

[Lanny]

You lost one argument, so you are trying to make another to divert. I don't agree with the patriot act. A bill originally put in place by republicans. I am sure republicans voted for it too. They are just trying to pretend they have one more bad thing on the Dems. The bill extended it 3 months, not indefinitely. I am sure the Dems will work on fixing it in the next session. They are busy impeaching Trump.

The original argument you guys brought up was the dems aren't doing anything. They are and have been. The senate is sitting on 400 bills passed by the house. The republicans are the ones not doing shit except whining. They have their heads up Trumps ass like the barnacles on a ships hull. McConnell won't even allow any bills to be heard in the senate unless Trump says so.

You are wrong. Republicans are busy confirming youngsters for life positions as federal judges.

 

[Chris Craig]

You are wrong. Republicans are busy confirming youngsters for life positions as federal judges.

They are doing that