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So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?

Will upper class men get to start because of seniority?

Will those same upper class men have no fear of losing their starting jobs because of seniority?
 
Mediocre Man said:
So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?

Will upper class men get to start because of seniority?

Will those same upper class men have no fear of losing their starting jobs because of seniority?
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Player salary will become a sliding scale based on years in the league.
 
Mediocre Man said:
So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?

Will upper class men get to start because of seniority?

Will those same upper class men have no fear of losing their starting jobs because of seniority?
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Flat rate sounds great. No worries benching the stars when they’re coasting.

Sports are team based anyways. All parts equal to the whole.
 
tlongII said:
I mean it’s worked so well for the police…
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The police unions always win as their unions arbitrate and win. I worked in two municipalities and observed they are well taken care of.
Without my union, I wouldn't have made the salary I received and fought off a crappy administrator.
 
MickZagger said:
Flat rate sounds great. No worries benching the stars when they’re coasting.

Sports are team based anyways. All parts equal to the whole.
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But doesn’t seniority rule unions? Like if I start a job an hour before you, but you are twice the worker I am, wouldn’t I still get opportunities first?
 
Mediocre Man said:

So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?
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This was my first thought as well. Actually, I would love to see that happen. But my guess is that it would be more like......the union would push for a standard salary for everyone.....and the stars would still get their big NIL deals on top of that.
 
Mediocre Man said:
So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?

Will upper class men get to start because of seniority?

Will those same upper class men have no fear of losing their starting jobs because of seniority?
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I think your 2nd and 3rd questions are probably a little wild, but who knows at this point. Just because the players agreed to unionize doesn't mean that the university has to recognize the union and agree to demands. All it means right now is that a union is formed; or in this case, that the players might be able to join

I think this will be a long and thorny process. Will every state, county, and municipality recognize tuition, room & board, medical, etc. as compensation due employees? Will the SCOTUS? probably if the one ruling they made on this is expanded. But if that finally becomes the accepted definition, where does the union go from there? Will they demand payroll compensation over and above their tuition? Will all the other athletes and teams be forced to join the union or can they opt-out? In this case, could one of the basketball players refuse to join the union and still remain on the team? And whether women's teams opt-in or opt-out, how will Title-9 treat the situation, either way? For that matter, would Title-9 still apply in all cases? Would ultra-conservative courts and judges use this as an excuse to gut Title-9?

and what will be the legal rights and paths of response for the universities if athletes are fully recognized as employees? Can they simply bust the union by cancelling scholarships to union players and bringing in a whole new set of players that will accept playing for just tuition without unionizing? And how many universities will just simply cancel the sport and shut it down?

is this just an academic exercise by young students? How cohesive will the union be when 'dues-paying' members might only be members for 2 or 3 or 4 years? Who runs the union as players cycle their their eligibility? Or, if as in the case of Dartmouth, how well will the union they have voted to join represent their interests. If Dartmouth basketball players wanted to strike or boycott, would the larger union actually go on strike in support? Can the terms of the existing union contract even apply to the basketball players?

it's probably important to note that this is all due to one ruling by one Regent in the NLRB. This still has to climb up the food chain of the NLRB, and after that, wind it's way thru the courts. And while there are sympathetic ears among the GOP majorities on the courts and SCOTUS for NIL and shutting down anti-trust actions by the NCAA, those same GOP ears have shown a lot of opposition to the power and actions of unions

but it's going to be kind of fascinating watching it all evolve
 
As a parent of a D1 student athlete on an academic/athletic scholarship this really interests me. My daughter said teammates are talking about this and don't think it's even possible. First thing that happens is all scholarships are yanked. Cost of college tuition would go up wouldn't it. My daughter's tuition plus room/board is $82,000 a year. This would change everything. And how does it impact a team from say the University of Michigan with 53,000 students vs Gonzaga with 5,000?
 
Locally here in my industry there is a broadcast workers union. it popped up about 6 or 7 years ago. It is an absolute mess...... Shady shit going on with who gets crewed and who doesn't. Of course the guy who is in charge works ALL the events. I have lost a ton of work because of it and it has actually been the cause of positions being eliminated. For each their own. I know unions that really help out my friends in other industries, but i have had a very negative experience with it.
 
Mediocre Man said:
So does this mean everyone will make the same money even though someone might be worth 10 times what someone else is?

Will upper class men get to start because of seniority?

Will those same upper class men have no fear of losing their starting jobs because of seniority?
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Everyone gets the same compensation. Education plus insurance.

NIL can handle the rest.
 
Dartmouth loses money with their athletics, even without paying salaries. It makes sense for them to just shut it all down at a "varsity" level and let folks play club or IMs if they want.
 
Ed O said:
Dartmouth loses money with their athletics, even without paying salaries. It makes sense for them to just shut it all down at a "varsity" level and let folks play club or IMs if they want.
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This is the most likely outcome if the students persist.
Most universities loose money on their athletics. Very good case that most college athletics go away (which isn't an entirely bad thought).
 
Mediocre Man said:
True. I guess I’m thinking more Teamsters than Team sports
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Most Teamsters are in the trucking industry. There’s a myriad of different kind of unions out there.

Teamsters is the best though.
 
Mediocre Man said:
But doesn’t seniority rule unions? Like if I start a job an hour before you, but you are twice the worker I am, wouldn’t I still get opportunities first?
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The NBA has a players union for a long time, and none of these hypotheticals are in place. But they are interesting questions.
 
What is the affect on minor sports, such as soccer? HCP's daughter plays. Not sure how many scholarships women's soccer gets per year. I know men's soccer only gets 10 per season that are divided up amongst 25 or so players. I wrestled back in the day at OSU and they could only give me tuition and fees due to only having the 10 scholarships as well. Do these athletes now become full scholarship, getting room and board like football and basketball? My oldest is an outstanding soccer player as a 16 y/o. Got back from playing for four months in Germany in December. Mens college soccer is such a shit show he isn't even answering emails from college coaches or attending ID Camps. Just planning to go back to Germany as soon as he graduates as a 17 y/o. He knows I can afford his soccer and I could also sign him to an NIL deal myself as am a senior partner in several business ventures. He doesn't want it. He can always go to college if he needs it but it is a waste of time for talented players. This may pertain to my 10 y/o in the future, but he will most likely follow in his brothers footsteps and go to Germany to play as well.
 
BIG Q said:
What is the affect on minor sports, such as soccer? HCP's daughter plays. Not sure how many scholarships women's soccer gets per year. I know men's soccer only gets 10 per season that are divided up amongst 25 or so players. I wrestled back in the day at OSU and they could only give me tuition and fees due to only having the 10 scholarships as well. Do these athletes now become full scholarship, getting room and board like football and basketball? My oldest is an outstanding soccer player as a 16 y/o. Got back from playing for four months in Germany in December. Mens college soccer is such a shit show he isn't even answering emails from college coaches or attending ID Camps. Just planning to go back to Germany as soon as he graduates as a 17 y/o. He knows I can afford his soccer and I could also sign him to an NIL deal myself as am a senior partner in several business ventures. He doesn't want it. He can always go to college if he needs it but it is a waste of time for talented players. This may pertain to my 10 y/o in the future, but he will most likely follow in his brothers footsteps and go to Germany to play as well.
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Yeah man youth soocer is a mess. NCAA D1 has something strange like 9.9 scholarships. Women have 14. D1 Men’s programs now are basically bringing in 24 year old European freshman, it’s crazy. Anyway, that’s what I’m talking about, what about the NON football/basketball sports…..they won’t have the pull as a Duck football Union. Are they the one who would lose their benefits or would this be good for them?
 
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