Is Chauncey Billups ruining the franchise?

[Mediocre Man]

Benching Scoot and Sharpe just as their confidence was growing is criminal

His benching of Sharpe because of defense, but leaving Ant alone is hypocrisy

The young players aren’t developing

I have never wanted a coach gone more, than him

 

[ant]

Agree, it’s so frustrating. He’s chasing occasional wins and bringing all of our lotto picks off the bench when they should be getting a ton of in game experience and confidence.

Our young talent don’t get the chance to develop, our record keeps us out of the top of the lottery in a great draft class, and Billups isn’t consistent with his coaching (see benching Sharpe for defense while starting Ant and Ayton). Ugh.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I didn't care if he was fired until now. Get rid of his ass.

 

[e_blazer]

Is Chauncey Billups trying to win games by putting the rotation in that he thinks is most effective right now?

Is Chauncey Billups trying to make a point to get the franchise’s two most important young players to up their defensive games?

Is Chauncey Billups doing the bidding of Joe Cronin to showcase vets in order to generate more trade value?

Is Chauncey Billups just a crappy coach?

Pick whichever one makes you happy.

 

[MickZagger]

Benching Scoot and Sharpe just as their confidence was growing is criminal

His benching of Sharpe because of defense, but leaving Ant alone is hypocrisy

The young players aren’t developing

I have never wanted a coach gone more, than him

He may be directed by management to play the vets with the trade deadline looming.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Benching Scoot and Sharpe just as their confidence was growing is criminal

His benching of Sharpe because of defense, but leaving Ant alone is hypocrisy

The young players aren’t developing

I have never wanted a coach gone more, than him

IMO, there's a difference between "benching players" and "bringing them in off the bench". Both are playing. Scoot had been playing well up until last night's foul-fest.

As for Sharpe vs Ant, I see it as Chauncey basically saying that whether or not Sharpe learns to pay defense actually has an impact on the franchise, whereas Ant is leaving (hopefully sooner rather than later), so his defensive performance is irrelevant.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that Chauncey has a directive from Cronin that Ant/Grant/Ayton must start when healthy until they get traded. Hopefully, Shae will have his starting spot back in 2 weeks.

 

[tlongII]

Benching Scoot and Sharpe just as their confidence was growing is criminal

His benching of Sharpe because of defense, but leaving Ant alone is hypocrisy

The young players aren’t developing

I have never wanted a coach gone more, than him

Not even Sarge?

 

[Cugel]

The thing is our vets arent going anywhere. The second apron combined with the relatively bad contracts of JG, AS, and DA makes them very very unattractive for GMs. Everyone knows DA has a shitty attitude, Grant cant rebound, and Ant doesnt play defense and would have to come off the bench for 25m a year. Next years starting 5 are DA, Ant, Grant, Tou, and Deni.

 

[bemac]

This is tired

 

[jlprk]

This is tired

Shouldn't be a separate thread. Nothing new here. Us positive posters weary of the complainers.

Ayton doesn't have a bad attitude. He just doesn't attack the basket. Probably got fouls when he was new in the league, and no coach taught him how to get in there without fouling.

 

[jlprk]

And Billups is the best defensive head coach we've ever had. He has the players overachieving above their talent levels. They outhustle other teams. I don't know whether we can re-sign him without a huge raise.

 

[MickZagger]

And Billups is the best defensive head coach we've ever had. He has the players overachieving above their talent levels. They outhustle other teams. I don't know whether we can re-sign him without a huge raise.

All for the purpose of not having a good draft pick in a loaded draft!

Yay!

Bill Fitch wouldn’t even fuck up this bad.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

No, not even close. But, by no means is he the savior, either.

Holding players accountable isn't "ruining."

Preference given to vets is standard practice, whether any of us like it or not.

 

[ant]

IMO, there's a difference between "benching players" and "bringing them in off the bench". Both are playing. Scoot had been playing well up until last night's foul-fest.

That’s true. But Sharpe is playing a lot less minutes than the starters (barely 24 last night)

 

[e_blazer]

IMO, there's a difference between "benching players" and "bringing them in off the bench". Both are playing. Scoot had been playing well up until last night's foul-fest.

As for Sharpe vs Ant, I see it as Chauncey basically saying that whether or not Sharpe learns to pay defense actually has an impact on the franchise, whereas Ant is leaving (hopefully sooner rather than later), so his defensive performance is irrelevant.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that Chauncey has a directive from Cronin that Ant/Grant/Ayton must start when healthy until they get traded. Hopefully, Shae will have his starting spot back in 2 weeks.

I agree with you on the distinction between benching a player vs bringing them off the bench. The latter is clearly the correct way to view Scoot and Sharpe.

Your point on Ant vs Sharpe’s defensive issues may be correct, but I think the comparison is entirely wrong to begin with. It’s not a case where Sharpe would bump Ant in the rotation since he’s not a PG. Team defense is light years better with a starting lineup of Ant, Camara, Deni, Grant and Rob than it would be if you put Sharpe in and bumped Camara (or either Grant or Deni) to the bench. The current starters can more than cover for Ant’s shortcomings on defense.

 

[illmatic99]

Billups is a lameduck coach. He has his problems.

He's not the one to blame here for the messed up rotations.

Point your finger at our dumbass GM who has no idea wtf he's doing. I have been screaming about our contradicting moves and lack of direction for years. This is not exactly new.

 

[julius]

If Shaedon and Scoot "lose confidence" by being benched, then they never were going to be stars in the first place.

 

[wizenheimer]

entering this season, Billups had 4 years of coaching experience on any level, at any coaching position. 3 of those years ave been as Portland's head coach. He was Neil Olshey's last significant decision, and it has worked out like so many of Olshey's decisions worked out: weak, unimpressive, and lasting too long

but he's a minor player in Portland's alleged "ruining". The architects of that are the clown car quartet of Jody, Bert, Neil, & Joe

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If Shaedon and Scoot "lose confidence" by being benched, then they never were going to be stars in the first place.

You want to BUILD on the momentum, not stifle it. This is Talent Development 101.

 

[Quatro44]

I still put the GM as the problem, he should be a man of action and traded the vets over the summer, maybe not all, but at least clear some room for the young guys. I can only go by the rumors that have been posted and talked about here and I get the feeling he is being too greedy, which could also be the Vulcans doing. So I would also include them as well. It all starts at the top and they should pick a direction. Stop this 2 timeline fence straddling bullshit.

 

[jlprk]

Bill Fitch wouldn’t even fuck up this bad.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/andre-iguodala-names-his-top-5-defenders-ever

Yesterday I read that Iguodala initially rated Mookie Blaylock as the best guard defender ever. He put Olajuwon in his top 5.

I thought of Bill Fitch, because he made Blaylock and Olajuwon into top defenders. Without him, they wouldn't have been great. He did the same with later Blazers Buck Williams and Chris Dudley. There aren't any tough critical SOB coaches anymore.

 

[Hoopguru]

I still put the GM as the problem, he should be a man of action and traded the vets over the summer, maybe not all, but at least clear some room for the young guys. I can only go by the rumors that have been posted and talked about here and I get the feeling he is being too greedy, which could also be the Vulcans doing. So I would also include them as well. It all starts at the top and they should pick a direction. Stop this 2 timeline fence straddling bullshit.

The ownership and Vulcans are treating this franchise like a junior training ground.

 

[riverman]

From what I've seen Chauncey would make a great defensive coordinator, but he couldn't patch together an endgame playbook or inbounds pass to save his soul. Ironically Billups and Stotts would compliment each other really well on a coaching staff.

 

[jlprk]

Strategy 1: Before the midseason trade deadline, display to GMs the players you're offering, to get maximum future picks. Play Grant and Simons. (You want Clingan to play more this year than Ayton? Ha ha.)

Strategy 2: Move up a little in the current draft. Play our lousy young players.

Cronin is right. Strategy 1 will help more in the long term. After the trade deadline, lineups will change to suit you negative thinkers.

 

[Phatguysrule]

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/andre-iguodala-names-his-top-5-defenders-ever

Yesterday I read that Iguodala initially rated Mookie Blaylock as the best guard defender ever. He put Olajuwon in his top 5.

I thought of Bill Fitch, because he made Blaylock and Olajuwon into top defenders. Without him, they wouldn't have been great. He did the same with later Blazers Buck Williams and Chris Dudley. There aren't any tough critical SOB coaches anymore.

I think Olajuwon would have been great anyway.

 

[jlprk]

Not as great. Dwight Howard-level, not Bill Walton-level as Fitch made him into.

 

[blazerkor]

So when the guys were playing like shit Chauncey was incompetent for not being able to keep the team competitive in that moment but now he's ruining the franchise because he's doing his job too well???

Does it bother me that Shaedon only got 24 minutes, yeah it does. Scoot fouled out in 14 minutes, that's not on Chauncey and those who are on Chauncey about letting Scoot play with 3 fouls in the second quarter, I would say it's fine for a coach to give a young player the opportunity to play through foul trouble.

For a lot of you Chauncey can't do anything right. Well I was pretty close to being on the bandwagon that maybe Chauncey needed to go but after watching how he has this team playing lately I think he still deserves to coach a roster that makes sense and has any sort of direction.

Joe Cronin is fucking this shit up. So do you guys want him to be able to fire the coach and pick a new coach? If so please tell me why?

 

[e_blazer]

I find it kind of amusing that the alleged ruining has coincided with the past three games when the Blazers actually looked like a competent NBA team, playing terrific defense and a fast-paced, exciting offense. Sure, the competition wasn't elite, but I do think that the team is beginning to find an identity. I realize that people are concerned about adequate playing time for Sharpe and Scoot, but they are getting minutes and have, for the most part, been more productive lately when they are on the court. I also get the concern about draft positioning, but that's becoming pretty much locked in at this point in the season. The Blazers currently have the 8th seed and have little chance of finishing better than 9th or worse than 5th.

 

[BlayZa]

coach makes a lot of odd subs and line up choices
our coach is ok ish
we dont have a really talented team
our players have fairly juxtaposed performances night to night bringing in huge inconsistency and doubt around fit on a nightly basis
our players are ok ish
we lose a lot of games
its hard to get better ish players and coaches.

this is blazers life

 

[Phatguysrule]

So when the guys were playing like shit Chauncey was incompetent for not being able to keep the team competitive in that moment but now he's ruining the franchise because he's doing his job too well???

Does it bother me that Shaedon only got 24 minutes, yeah it does. Scoot fouled out in 14 minutes, that's not on Chauncey and those who are on Chauncey about letting Scoot play with 3 fouls in the second quarter, I would say it's fine for a coach to give a young player the opportunity to play through foul trouble.

For a lot of you Chauncey can't do anything right. Well I was pretty close to being on the bandwagon that maybe Chauncey needed to go but after watching how he has this team playing lately I think he still deserves to coach a roster that makes sense and has any sort of direction.

Joe Cronin is fucking this shit up. So do you guys want him to be able to fire the coach and pick a new coach? If so please tell me why?

You leave a kid in with 3 fouls in the first half? Really? That's... good coaching?