Nate Robinson Stuffs Yao

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He's 7'5", there's no need to complain. Besides, the foul was after he got stuffed. He just happened to come down on his eye after the stuff.</div>
When I thought I had read the dumbest comment ever on JBB, I come across this one.

Just because you're 7'5" means you can't be hurt? Especially after being poked in the EYE.

C'mon, be serious here. Yao Ming is a human, no super-hero.

<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When I thought I had read the dumbest comment ever on JBB, I come across this one.

Just because you're 7'5" means you can't be hurt? Especially after being poked in the EYE.

C'mon, be serious here. Yao Ming is a human, no super-hero.</div>
Trust me, I've heard much worse from you. Don't get me started.

Anyway, my point is the foul was overexaggerated. After the foul, which still wasn't all that hard, Yao remained in the backcourt way too long. At 7'5" he's gotten pushed to the floor, ruffed up, and has been fouled much harder than that. My point is overreacting to a poke in the eye by the league's tallest and "best center" doesn't really spell intimidation. It's a trivial foul and a clean block. Stop trying to make it bigger than what it is: a poke in the eye. YOU be serious.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point is overreacting to a poke in the eye by the league's tallest and "best center" doesn't really spell intimidation. It's a trivial foul and a clean block. Stop trying to make it bigger than what it is: a poke in the eye. YOU be serious.</div>

You're hating on Yao is transparent. What does Yao being the league's tallest player have to do with anything? You get poked in the eye, it's going to hurt the same regardless of your height. And without knowing what it actually felt like, how can you even say he overreacted?

If Yao did the same thing to Nate (blocked his shot, but scraped him across the eye as his hand came down), would you call it a "trivial foul"? Hell no, you wouldn't.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're hating on Yao is transparent. What does Yao being the league's tallest player have to do with anything? You get poked in the eye, it's going to hurt the same regardless of your height. And without knowing what it actually felt like, how can you even say he overreacted?</div>
I'm not hating on Yao at all. He got poked in the eye. Big deal. Honestly, Yao has gotten fouled much harder by bigger and much stronger players. To each his own, but it appeared very obvious Yao was overreacting to the contact. It took him at least 10 seconds to go defend the Knicks in transition, leading to a fastbreak score by the Knicks.

Yao is considered by most to be the most dominant player in the league and when you have such a moniker you will get fouled. If you can't handle getting poked in the eye once in your professional basketball career, then you have no business playing. Especially if you're suggesting the play wasn't trivial. I understand the feeling; I'm sure everyone does, but the fact of the matter is he got poked in the eye, he was briefly hurt. Big deal, move on.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Yao did the same thing to Nate (blocked his shot, but scraped him across the eye as his hand came down), would you call it a "trivial foul"? Hell no, you wouldn't.</div>
Hell yeah I would still call it a trivial. The foul was small and inadvertant after a clean block. Yao Ming in no way suffered after the incident and continued playing for the rest of the game. Let me ask you: what made this a serious foul? Yao continued playing and suffered no ill-effects after the foul.

What are you trying to prove? Regardles, Yao got a clean block from Robinson and was fouled afterwards.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is considered by most to be the most dominant player in the league and when you have such a moniker you will get fouled.</div>What?

Find me a link where a "respected" analyst has said he's the most dominant player in the league.

If anything, Yao's been knocked on for not being the most dominant player in the league.

Man, that block was CRAZY!

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What are you trying to prove? </div>

There was a foul, and you're biased against Yao because he's tall. You accepted the first part, and the second part requires no confirmation because it's obvious. No other reason you'd bring up his height to try to explain why getting poked in the eye isn't a big deal.

You keep saying Yao overreacted. That's just a guess on your part. Most times when a player get poked in the eye they are feeling it for several seconds. Usually, there's a stoppage in play because of it or the team retains possession, so the recovery time isn't as noticeable.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What?

Find me a link where a "respected" analyst has said he's the most dominant player in the league.

If anything, Yao's been knocked on for not being the most dominant player in the league.</div>
This year Yao has stepped it up and is considered the best center in the league. You might be well aware McGrady dubbed him the most dominant in the league and many commentators on various networks (including ESPN) have called him the most dominant. Even if he isn't THE most, there's no arguing he isn't far off.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There was a foul, and you're biased against Yao because he's tall. You accepted the first part, and the second part requires no confirmation because it's obvious. No other reason you'd bring up his height to try to explain why getting poked in the eye isn't a big deal.</div>
I never said there wasn't a foul. I said the foul was AFTER Yao got blocked. My point about the height is if Yao is (or soon to be) a dominant force, he will inevitably get fouled and fouled hard. Getting poked in the eye (and suffering no serious damages) is trivial compared to his daily beating by opposing centers. All in all, the foul was not serious and still doesn't negate Nate's clean block on him.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You keep saying Yao overreacted. That's just a guess on your part. Most times when a player get poked in the eye they are feeling it for several seconds. Usually, there's a stoppage in play because of it or the team retains possession, so the recovery time isn't as noticeable.</div>
So let's Yao didn't overreact. He got blocked and then got robbed of a loose ball foul. Is that better?

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So let's Yao didn't overreact. He got blocked and then got robbed of a loose ball foul. Is that better?</div>

Sure.

BTW, Yao gets poked in the eye and scraped across the face all the time. It's not like this is the first time it happened to him, and he acted like a baby because of it. He's got more scars on his face and arms than any other player in the league. He's used to it happening, and he's used to it not getting called as a foul.

And I don't care who you are or how tough you are. If you get poked in the eye, it's going to hurt like a mother. So it took a moment to recover from it. That could happen to anyone. But because he's so tall, people expect him to act like he's Superman.

So if he gets hit in the eye and face all the time, then it shouldn't be anything new to him.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So if he gets hit in the eye and face all the time, then it shouldn't be anything new to him.</div>

So, because it's not new, it should hurt less? That wouldn't make much sense.

There's a good reason why that little guy is in the NBA and it's because of his freakish athleticism.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So, because it's not new, it should hurt less? That wouldn't make much sense.</div>
I never said it should hurt less. Now you are just putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying if it happens all the time and is nothing new to him, why is it such a big deal?

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I never said it should hurt less. Now you are just putting words in my mouth. </div>

Nope. You're saying Yao was over-reacting, and you're basing that on the fact he's huge and he should be used to it. But it doesn't matter if you're used to getting scraped in the face. If it hurts, it hurts, and you'll react accordingly. That's just reflexive.

Atleast something is getting the knicks forums. Also, you knicks don't need to get too happy. First of all, that was a good block, and obviously there was a foul with it. A block isn't a block if you foul with it, so don't take it as a good block. And also, stop comparing shaq and yao! Even I agree yao isn't strong or agressive as shaq, but he is getting better, so instead of criticizing, give the guy a chance instead of hating. Yao is the best center over 7'3'' to ever play. You guys may think he got stuffed, but if you look closely you can see the foul, yao was poked in the eye. So stop hating and give the guy a chance. Also if I remember correctly the same guy who yall think got "blocked" by nate robinson also scored 35, 17, and 7 blocks against yall.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nope. You're saying Yao was over-reacting, and you're basing that on the fact he's huge and he should be used to it. But it doesn't matter if you're used to getting scraped in the face. If it hurts, it hurts, and you'll react accordingly. That's just reflexive.</div>
I still think he was overreacting, but as I said before, it doesn't matter, since none of us know for sure. But as I said before, for someone to get hit and beat down in the NBA, especially at the center position, is a regular occurance and shouldn't be a big deal. Regardless of whether it briefly hurt like a mofo, Yao was fine and if he plans onto continue playing in this league, he will be hit even harder. I'm not saying it should hurt less because he's used to it, I'm saying because it happens regularly, why is it a big deal?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Atleast something is getting the knicks forums. Also, you knicks don't need to get too happy. First of all, that was a good block, and obviously there was a foul with it. A block isn't a block if you foul with it, so don't take it as a good block.</div>
You just contradicted yourself. In the beginning you said "First of all, that was a good block." Then you said "so don't take it as a good block."

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is the best center over 7'3'' to ever play. You guys may think he got stuffed, but if you look closely you can see the foul, yao was poked in the eye. </div>
Not to discredit Yao, but there hasn't exactly been an abundance of 7'3" centers in the NBA.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So stop hating and give the guy a chance. Also if I remember correctly the same guy who yall think got "blocked" by nate robinson also scored 35, 17, and 7 blocks against yall.</div>
No one here is hating and Yao's stellar performance has nothing to do with the block. The block was clean but coming down, Nate inadvertantly hit him in the eye, so it should have been a lose ball foul called after the clean block.

I can quote everything you're saying since I am using a blackberry, but I was saying that it was a good block if it wouldn't have been a foul. It was a great block except there was a little contact to go with it. You guys are making it seem as if yao is trash just because he got stuffed by yao. Every good center gets done up. I have a question for the refs: where is the damn foul?

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Regardless of whether it briefly hurt like a mofo, Yao was fine and if he plans onto continue playing in this league, he will be hit even harder. I'm not saying it should hurt less because he's used to it, I'm saying because it happens regularly, why is it a big deal?</div>

Is saying it was a foul making a "big deal" about it? A guy getting scraped across the face is a foul in any basketball league. That's not making a big deal over it, it's recognizing a foul when it happens. You think because Yao is a big man and these kind of things happen regularly, I should just ignore it?

Yao is getting ridiculed by every media outlet in the country. Why don't you ask why they are making such a big deal about it? If they are going to constantly dump on Yao for that play, I think it's appropriate to point out that if the refs were doing their job correctly, Nate's play, as impressive as it was, would not have been legal.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Is saying it was a foul making a "big deal" about it? A guy getting scraped across the face is a foul in any basketball league. That's not making a big deal over it, it's recognizing a foul when it happens. You think because Yao is a big man and these kind of things happen regularly, I should just ignore it?</div>
If the foul wasn't trivial, then what was it? It's not a big deal meaning it's nothing serious. It was just a foul. I didn't say ignore it, I'm saying don't change the foul into anything more than a regular foul.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is getting ridiculed by every media outlet in the country. Why don't you ask why they are making such a big deal about it? If they are going to constantly dump on Yao for that play, I think it's appropriate to point out that if the refs were doing their job correctly, Nate's play, as impressive as it was, would not have been legal.</div>
I don't think Yao is getting ridiculed, I just think everyone is acknowledging an impressive play by Nate. He's the league's second shortest player and happened to block the league's tallest player. The block would have been legal since it was all ball, Nate's momentum carried his hand on Yao's face after he blocked the shot.

<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I can quote everything you're saying since I am using a blackberry, but I was saying that it was a good block if it wouldn't have been a foul. It was a great block except there was a little contact to go with it. You guys are making it seem as if yao is trash just because he got stuffed by yao. Every good center gets done up. I have a question for the refs: where is the damn foul?</div>
Who said Yao was trash? The fact of the matter is the block was clean and the foul came afterwards.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If the foul wasn't trivial, then what was it? It's not a big deal meaning it's nothing serious. It was just a foul. I didn't say ignore it, I'm saying don't change the foul into anything more than a regular foul.</div>

Was there someone arguing it should be elevated to flagrant foul?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Yao is getting ridiculed, I just think everyone is acknowledging an impressive play by Nate. He's the league's second shortest player and happened to block the league's tallest player. The block would have been legal since it was all ball, Nate's momentum carried his hand on Yao's face after he blocked the shot.</div>

Yao is getting ridiculed. The focus has been much more on Yao than Nate.

And you're right, the block would have been legal IF he didn't commit the foul afterwards. By league rules, if the foul was called (and it should have been called), it would have been a shooting foul and Nate wouldn't have been credited with the block. Those are the rules, though you can disagree with that interpretation if you like.

<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, it has.

Steve Francis stuffed Shaq, if I remember correctly.

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Thats Josh Howard.</div>

Lol, Josh Howard grabbed shaqs entire hand, and touched pretty much no ball. Nice play

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">It's annoying that people constantly find it necessary to point out how Yao doesn't measure up to Shaq. He's the most scrutinized player ever, despite never talking himself up, having nothing but respect for his opponents, being completely team-oriented, and having unbelievable work ethic. I'm sick of it. Ever since he entered the league, the message has been clear from all the critics: if he's not Shaq, he's a failure. I thought for once I'd talk about something Yao does that Shaq doesn't do. If that bothers you, tough.</div>
Best post in this thread. Yao's had to go through like the reverse of Lebron. He's had just as much hype and attention, but most of the media and fans want him to fail, instead of succeed. They want him to be the next Shawn Bradley so they can laugh at him, instead of the next Shaq (not literally, but in terms of talent and skill).

The foul was obviously there. But, as everyone else has pointed out, it was after the fact and should've been a loose ball foul. Yet, I can see how that's been ignored by the media. That block loses some of its importance, if Yao gets to shoot two free throws afterwards.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">why is it a big deal?</div>
It's a big deal, because people either go out of their way to deny or completely ignore it. I don't find it that important. But, if you talk to most NBA fans and just mention off-hand they get defensive for some reason.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Was there someone arguing it should be elevated to flagrant foul?</div>
You're missing my point. The foul wasn't serious. End of story.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is getting ridiculed. The focus has been much more on Yao than Nate.</div>
Seeing that you live in Houston, you probably hear much more on Yao than you do Nate. And because I live in New York, the focus has been more on Nate than on Yao. Living in two different enviornments, the focus has been on our local players.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And you're right, the block would have been legal IF he didn't commit the foul afterwards. By league rules, if the foul was called (and it should have been called), it would have been a shooting foul and Nate wouldn't have been credited with the block. Those are the rules, though you can disagree with that interpretation if you like.</div>
Nate got all ball and the ball was completely out of Yao's hands after the block. If anything, it should have been a lose ball foul, but regardless, the foul wasn't called and the block is credited to Nate. Nothing can be done about it; that's just the way the NBA goes.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">It's a big deal, because people either go out of their way to deny or completely ignore it. I don't find it that important. But, if you talk to most NBA fans and just mention off-hand they get defensive for some reason.</div>
Really, is it that serious though? The Rockets won the game and people will soon forget about this anyway. I'm a Knick fan and it's just like whatever to me after a few days.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're missing my point. The foul wasn't serious. End of story.</div>

I'm sorry. Is there a category for "not serious" fouls that don't have to be called in the rule book? And are we talking about a touch foul, or a overt swipe across the face? I thought it's the latter.

<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry. Is there a category for "not serious" fouls that don't have to be called in the rule book? And are we talking about a touch foul, or a overt swipe across the face? I thought it's the latter.</div>
I don't think we're going anywhere from here...

Yao was hit, suffered no injuries, continued playing and had a very good outing. What do you want me to say, the refs missed a lose ball foul? I already said that.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Seeing that you live in Houston, you probably hear much more on Yao than you do Nate. And because I live in New York, the focus has been more on Nate than on Yao. Living in two different enviornments, the focus has been on our local players. </div>
Actually, on Sportscenter or ESPNEWs, the commentary made a couple little jokes at Yao in a way, he is getting ridiculed for it. I would tell you to go check out the clip at ESPN, but for whatever reason, after a couple days they take them down.

EDIT- Basically, it went like this. Yao gets it in the post, and makes a shot. The ESPNEWs guys goes something a long the lines of "Yao with the shot, doesn't get blocked there." Even though its nothing serious, I'm just making a point he's being scrutinized by the media nonetheless.

Foul or no foul, that was a nice play by Nate.

<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lol, Josh Howard grabbed shaqs entire hand, and touched pretty much no ball. Nice play </div>

...and Nate fouled Yao too. His block would not have counted had the referees called foul.

So, the same way .. Howard's block counted.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trust me, I've heard much worse from you. Don't get me started.
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It doesn't get any more worst than "He's 7'5", there's no need to complain."